Bush's Drain America First Plan - Alaska Redux

[Attalus]

I had heard that, MagiK. Alaskans are also very rough and ready, I have seen. The idea of using Nature doesn't bother them, much. They have too much of it.

[wellard]

Originally posted by Sir Kenyth: The real solution is finding a viable, renewable alternative energy source. That and controlling our population. Everywhere I see nothing but population growth these days. Whether it's from our own progeny or immigration is irrelavent. More people equals more consumption and more waste. Unfortunately, more people also generally means more money for the upper class. Less workers means higher wages, less product, and less buyers. I'm not an economist, so I could be mistaken.

Well said that man [img]graemlins/agree.gif[/img]

One of the many faults of capitalism is the fuel of growth that it uses. The easiest fuel to burn is population growth. Increase the population by a couple of % a year and lo and behold so does the economy grow. *No I don’t have an alternative * Back on topic the bottom line IMHO is to reduce fossil fuel demand. Reduce that and then this Alaska business is suddenly irrelevant.

Tax fuel more, WAY more and invest the money to alternate supplies. *Stands by for the replies *

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[Night Stalker]

Actually, I wouldn't mind increasing fuel taxes. BUT only if they went to road inprovement/maintenance and energy source research. And you can't raise it WAY more, because unlike other places of the world, the US does not have a fantastic public transportation system. OH, some cities do, but outside of those areas, nothing. The way our infrastructure and economies/living arangements are aranged, our society cannot function with out private vehicles.

On the other hand, I would be against raising the tax, because some pol would see it as another trough to feed some pet project.
(New Jersey and you. Corrupted together.)

[Timber Loftis]

Wellard, I am NOT for taxing fuel more, but it SHOULD be done. The reason for this dichotomy is twofold: (1) I'm selfish with my money, but (2) higher fuel costs are ulitmately better for the world as a whole.

In the USA we do not pay what gasoline is worth. Or beloved State Dept. and President, through long love affairs with Suadi Arabia, Kuwait, Mexico, Argentina, and other oil producing nations, has secured the world's lowest oil prices. As a consumer I like that.

As a social philosopher, I realize it serves only to encourage more fuel consumption - a bad thing. Whether it discourages cities to build/support public transportation or whether it encourages ownership of 10mpg Hummers, the result is the same: it encourages fuel consumption.

We are paying our highest prices EVER for gasoline right now at about $2.00 per gallon. What are prices from elsewhere? C'mon folks post 'em: let's compare.

[wellard]

Whats a gallon?... [img]graemlins/wink10.gif[/img]

in the modern world [img]graemlins/1pokeme.gif[/img] it is about 95cents to the litre, somedays a whole doller.

That makes it about 50 cents yank a litre.

[ 03-11-2003, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: wellard ]

[John D Harris]

I just don't want to use up our oil when there are people perfectly willing to sell us their's. After we have sucked them dry then we can open up our oil and sell it and make some serious cash

[Night Stalker]

Originally posted by wellard: Whats a gallon?... [img]graemlins/wink10.gif[/img] in the modern world [img]graemlins/1pokeme.gif[/img] it is about 95cents to the litre, somedays a whole doller. That makes it about 50 cents yank a litre.

If one wanted to be truely anal, technically the litre is not the proper SI unit for volume. The proper unit is m^3. CC (centimetre cubed) works as well since it is just a scale factor.

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: We are paying our highest prices EVER for gasoline right now at about $2.00 per gallon. What are prices from elsewhere? C'mon folks post 'em: let's compare.

Here in the bay area I've seen $2.10 a gallon near my home, and $2.40 a gallon in San Francisco. But then we always seem to get smacked with the highest gas prices around [img]graemlins/madhell.gif[/img]

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by wellard: Whats a gallon?... [img]graemlins/wink10.gif[/img] in the modern world [img]graemlins/1pokeme.gif[/img] it is about 95cents to the litre, somedays a whole doller. That makes it about 50 cents yank a litre.

This is about US$1.50 a gallon, right? 1 gallon roughly equals 3 liters, right?

Originally posted by wellard: [Tax fuel more, WAY more and invest the money to alternate supplies. *Stands by for the replies * [img]graemlins/bricks.gif[/img]

I say that YOU pay more and Ill not pay more, You deserve the taxes you ask for, I want no part of them. If you want alternate energy sources and don't think the companies that are working for them now are doing a good enough job, go make your own company and become the Bill Gates of alternate fuels. Thats what Makes Capitalism great.

Note that western capitalistic societies are nearly all stagnant growth wise and have been for at least a decade.