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Mark, this is a good thread and you're right, no need to get personal in such a topic. [img]smile.gif[/img] And Gregster, thanks for the polite response to the posts calling that comment out. Keep in mind that no matter what we MEAN to say, it's HOW we say it that others note first. This is a very interesting thread and I'm impressed at the smooth flow of the dialogue.
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But don't take my word for it. This is the dictionary: con·ser·va·tism Pronunciation: k&n-'s&r-v&-"ti-z&m Function: noun Date: 1835 capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party b : the Conservative party 2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change 3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change ------------ lib·er·al·ism Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m Function: noun Date: 1819 1 : the quality or state of being liberal 2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party - lib·er·al·ist /-b(&-)r&-list/ noun or adjective - lib·er·al·is·tic /"li-b(&-)r&-'lis-tik/ adjective [ 12-22-2002, 05:19 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ] |
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Goodday Yorick, I am not trying to stir but I must agree with Attalus. I don't think the political big-wigs give a rodent's posterior about what the dictionary says regarding liberal or conservative, but aside from that in order for the conservatives to advocate the status quo, they must advocate the removal of the many changes that have been put in place by liberals and others which have placed America into a state that is unacceptable to their philosophy. The aforementioned, of course, seems to be a paradox; but it is not. To assume that being conservative means to advocate things as they are and nothing more is silly to my way of thinking. That would mean that conservatives never do anything and nothing could be further from the truth. If it weren't for liberals, conservatives would be just as you describe. But, alas, there are liberals so in order to be conservative you must be liberal about your conservative issues and advocate the changes that you advocate. Err...I'm going to stop now...I'm confusing myself.
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Conservatism is bigger than a single party. It is a state of being. As I said, a communist can be conservative. A fascist can be conservative. A liberal or environmentalist can be a conservative - depending on the existing state of the situation. Conservatism is RELATIVE. A humans political leanings can be myriad and complex. Expand the number of definitions to describe a human, don't attempt to limit and box the human. Attalus is not preclusively conservative. Neither are you. You are both self proclaimed democratic conservatives with liberal leanings towards the right, supporting an oligarchial representative democracy. Why is the word 'liberal' or 'democratic' in there not to be applied to you? If it's offensive then that's exactly what Skywalkers post is about. Get rid of stupid things like bias such as this. If your views lean to the left, then be comfortable with the word socialist. It's a word. It doesn't limit you or mean you can't believe in democratic capitalism. If your views lean to the economic right, be comfortable with 'economic liberalism'. Agreeing with laisseze faire capitalism doesn't mean you can't have care for the oppressed. You and Attalus by your own words show liberal leanings. So incorporate that word into the definition of who you are instead of trying to warp and stretch a single word to encompass manifest ideologies. [ 12-22-2002, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ] |
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LOL, I am not at all offended by what you posted, Yorick, for, by the dictionary definitions you are correct. In fact, I am more liberal than some of my friends, who regard me as soft on Gun Control and Abortions. So, I am "more liberal" than they are. However, I regard myself as part of the Conservative Movement, so that I am a "Capital letter" Conservative, though I am not conservative in all my views. I will not bore you with the distinctions that Conservatives draw among themselves, such as Neoconservatives, Paleoconservatives, and Evangelical Christian Conservatives. I am, even more than this, a Republican.
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