ACLU takes on the Patriot act (finally!)

Rokenn · 10-17-2002, 03:44 PM

From Wired News:

ACLU Acts Against Patriot Act (U.S. vs. Them Wednesday)
http://go.hotwired.com/news/conflict....html/wn_ascii

The American Civil Liberties Union has had enough of some aspects of
the Bush administration's Patriot Act, and it's launching a visible,
nationwide campaign against it
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I love the story of the college student that faced down the 2 FBI agents at her door. It only took her 45 mins to get them to leave, good for her!

Timber Loftis · 10-17-2002, 03:55 PM

Sometimes you just have to say God bless to the ACLU. It's a voice someone's gotta provide - and it ain't easy. The FBI neighbor-reporting thing is just too McCarthy-ish for me. It can get very scary very quickly when the government is sorting citizens based on political views. We have not had much of that in our brief history in this country, but I do fear it may soon come to pass yet again.

[edit] - Oh, and by the way, once some of this stuff reaches the Supreme Court it WILL get knocked out, on *several* Constitutional grounds. No matter how conservative the Renqhuist court is, some things in the law are crystal clear.

[ 10-17-2002, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

Azred · 10-17-2002, 07:59 PM

The ACLA is one of those groups that many people love to hate. Or hate to love. Or something like that. Anyway, I don't know anyone who is neutral about them; they either love them or hate them, depending upon the issue at hand.

This time, I will say they are on the right track. The Constitution gives every American the right to have their own opinion, whether that agrees with the government's opinion or not. Every American should have a copy of the Constitution in their house, just for reference; I know that I do. [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img]

Even though the government wants us to be safe, I agree that the Supreme Court will never let the Patriot Act stand as it currently is.

True_Moose · 10-17-2002, 08:43 PM

Wasn't the Patriot Act supposed to phase out over time? I think our equivalent does...

Is there any country in the west that doesn't have a Sept. 11 terrorist law?

10-17-2002, 08:51 PM

The ACLU is one seriously huge dichotomy..some times they are right on the money, then they turn right around and shoot themselves right in the ass. I really think the leaders need to take some kind os schizophrenia medicine [img]smile.gif[/img]

Attalus · 10-17-2002, 08:58 PM

I won a diet contest one time where this other guy and I were each supposed to lose 20lb, and the first one to reach there could tell the other where to send $100. He was going to make me send mine to the ACLU, but with that kind of motivation, I lost the twenty pounds in a little over two months. I took his check and subscribed him to the National Review for five years.

Albromor · 10-17-2002, 11:01 PM

LOL!!! Attalus, that was one of the best things i have read in a long time.

John D Harris · 10-17-2002, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Attalus:
I won a diet contest one time where this other guy and I were each supposed to lose 20lb, and the first one to reach there could tell the other where to send $100. He was going to make me send mine to the ACLU, but with that kind of motivation, I lost the twenty pounds in a little over two months. I took his check and subscribed him to the National Review for five years.

ROTFLMAO, sometimes you just got'a love Texas.

John D Harris · 10-17-2002, 11:30 PM

In the Patriot Act are citizens commanded to inform on their nieghbors? Or are citizens encouraged to report things they believe to be amiss? If reporting is wrong then what does that do to someone calling about a normal crime, like say child abuse, or a robbery in progress. I don't know but isn't imforming the police or FBI also protected by the consitution as a form of free speech? There must be other aspects of the Patriot Act inorder for the courts to even consider it.IMHO

norompanlasolas · 10-18-2002, 04:34 AM

reporting neighbours? "anti-american" material for having an antibush poster??? wow, that does sound like mccarthy at its best. see, that usually is the difference between the left and the right. you can make fun and critisice the left all you want and you are not going to go to jail (i bet you could have a derogatory poster of clinton and nothing would have happened). i guess its a matter of sense of humor... or taking the big stick out of your ass.

edit: hey, what happened to the post about bushes grades? i cant find it anywhere.

[ 10-18-2002, 04:59 AM: Message edited by: norompanlasolas ]

10-17-2002, 03:44 PM	#1
Rokenn Galvatron Join Date: January 22, 2002 Location: california wine country Age: 60 Posts: 2,193	From Wired News: ACLU Acts Against Patriot Act (U.S. vs. Them Wednesday) http://go.hotwired.com/news/conflict....html/wn_ascii The American Civil Liberties Union has had enough of some aspects of the Bush administration's Patriot Act, and it's launching a visible, nationwide campaign against it -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love the story of the college student that faced down the 2 FBI agents at her door. It only took her 45 mins to get them to leave, good for her! __________________ “This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have mores. <br />Some people call you the elite. <br />I call you my base.”<br />~ George W. Bush (2000)

10-17-2002, 03:55 PM	#2
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	Sometimes you just have to say God bless to the ACLU. It's a voice someone's gotta provide - and it ain't easy. The FBI neighbor-reporting thing is just too McCarthy-ish for me. It can get very scary very quickly when the government is sorting citizens based on political views. We have not had much of that in our brief history in this country, but I do fear it may soon come to pass yet again. [edit] - Oh, and by the way, once some of this stuff reaches the Supreme Court it WILL get knocked out, on several Constitutional grounds. No matter how conservative the Renqhuist court is, some things in the law are crystal clear. [ 10-17-2002, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ] __________________

10-17-2002, 07:59 PM	#3
Azred Drow Priestess Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: a hidden sanctorum high above the metroplex Age: 54 Posts: 4,037	The ACLA is one of those groups that many people love to hate. Or hate to love. Or something like that. Anyway, I don't know anyone who is neutral about them; they either love them or hate them, depending upon the issue at hand. This time, I will say they are on the right track. The Constitution gives every American the right to have their own opinion, whether that agrees with the government's opinion or not. Every American should have a copy of the Constitution in their house, just for reference; I know that I do. [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img] Even though the government wants us to be safe, I agree that the Supreme Court will never let the Patriot Act stand as it currently is. __________________ Everything may be explained by a conspiracy theory. All conspiracy theories are true. No matter how thinly you slice it, it's still bologna.

10-17-2002, 08:43 PM	#4
True_Moose Gold Dragon Join Date: June 18, 2002 Location: Wolfville, NS / Calgary, AB Age: 36 Posts: 2,563	Wasn't the Patriot Act supposed to phase out over time? I think our equivalent does... Is there any country in the west that doesn't have a Sept. 11 terrorist law? __________________ [img]\"http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/true_moose/Siggy.jpg\" alt=\" - \" />

10-17-2002, 11:30 PM	#9
John D Harris Ninja Storm Shadow Join Date: March 27, 2001 Location: Northport,Alabama, USA Age: 62 Posts: 3,577	In the Patriot Act are citizens commanded to inform on their nieghbors? Or are citizens encouraged to report things they believe to be amiss? If reporting is wrong then what does that do to someone calling about a normal crime, like say child abuse, or a robbery in progress. I don't know but isn't imforming the police or FBI also protected by the consitution as a form of free speech? There must be other aspects of the Patriot Act inorder for the courts to even consider it.IMHO __________________ Crustiest of the OLD COOTS "Donating mirrors for years to help the Liberal/Socialist find their collective rear-ends, because both hands doesn't seem to be working. Veitnam 61-65:KIA 1864 66:KIA 5008 67:KIA 9378 68:KIA 14594 69:KIA 9414 70:KIA 4221 71:KIA 1380 72:KIA 300 Afghanistan2001-2008 KIA 585 2009-2012 KIA 1465 and counting Davros 1 Much abliged Massachusetts

10-17-2002, 08:51 PM	#5
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	The ACLU is one seriously huge dichotomy..some times they are right on the money, then they turn right around and shoot themselves right in the ass. I really think the leaders need to take some kind os schizophrenia medicine [img]smile.gif[/img]

10-17-2002, 08:58 PM	#6
Attalus Symbol of Bane Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Texas Age: 75 Posts: 8,167	I won a diet contest one time where this other guy and I were each supposed to lose 20lb, and the first one to reach there could tell the other where to send $100. He was going to make me send mine to the ACLU, but with that kind of motivation, I lost the twenty pounds in a little over two months. I took his check and subscribed him to the National Review for five years.

10-17-2002, 11:01 PM	#7
Albromor Mephistopheles Join Date: June 13, 2001 Location: Northfield, NJ USA Posts: 1,417	LOL!!! Attalus, that was one of the best things i have read in a long time.

10-18-2002, 04:34 AM	#10
norompanlasolas Avatar Join Date: November 13, 2001 Location: madrid, spain... made in argentina Age: 47 Posts: 569	reporting neighbours? "anti-american" material for having an antibush poster??? wow, that does sound like mccarthy at its best. see, that usually is the difference between the left and the right. you can make fun and critisice the left all you want and you are not going to go to jail (i bet you could have a derogatory poster of clinton and nothing would have happened). i guess its a matter of sense of humor... or taking the big stick out of your ass. edit: hey, what happened to the post about bushes grades? i cant find it anywhere. [ 10-18-2002, 04:59 AM: Message edited by: norompanlasolas ] __________________ no

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