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Rikard_OHF · 03-26-2003, 10:19 AM

Do you believe everything that channels like CNN and BBC world report?

[ 03-26-2003, 10:19 AM: Message edited by: Rikard_OHF ]

Indemaijinj · 03-26-2003, 10:35 AM

The US have clearly stated that misinformation is part of their war tactic.

Otherwise I have a bit more trust in the truthfullness of their news.

Yet their image is distorted. Not by what they choose to broadcast, but by what they do NOT chose to broadcast.

The war in the former republic of Congo has for example attained a body count rivalling that of WW2 (including civilians) with little notice.

Also the EU countries have kept devastating trade policies towards the third world firmly in place without any public outcry of any significance.

Why? Because what's out of sight is out of mind.

Dreamer128 · 03-26-2003, 10:52 AM

The only news that comes out of Iraq has been edited by the either the Iraqi's or the Americans... So; no, I don't believe everything CNN, BBC World, (or any Dutch station for that matter) tells me.

johnny · 03-26-2003, 11:02 AM

I only believe what i see with my own eyes, or hear with my own ears. And Barend en Van Dorp of course.

antryg · 03-26-2003, 11:26 AM

I believe that these are reliable news services but bias affects all people at all times. A reporter sees an event a reports what they see from their viewpoint. This is not dishonesty but rather interpeting based upon our cultural/educational/life experiences. No report can show or understand every viewpoint, isolated reporters cannot tie in what they see to the overall picture.

Yesterdays headlines give a glimpse into the problem. Coalition forces were "ambushed" and "fierce fighting" took place. The push to Bagdad "has slowed due to fierce resistance." When you listen to the whole report or read the interview you find that 100-500 Iraqi troops were killed and no Coalition forces were killed. The headlines make you think that the Coalition is stopped or losing. Beating off an attack, inflicting caualties, and suffering no losses is usually considered a victory.

Bungleau · 03-26-2003, 12:42 PM

There are always three sides to a story: his, hers, and the truth. I think it's important to get the news from a variety of sources to get as many of those three sides as possible.

Reminds me of an old joke:

A reporter was walking along and saw a boy hitting a dog. He stopped and asked why, and the boy explained that the dog had attacked his dog, and he was defending his dog.

The reporter whips out his notebook and starts writing a headline:

YOUNG WOLVERINES FAN SAVES FAMILY PET

The boy interrupts and says that he's not a Wolverines fan.

The reporter starts over:

YOUNG SPARTAN PROTECTS THE HELPLESS

The boy interrupts again, and says that he's really a Buckeys fan.

Reporter start over again:

REDNECK BUCKEYE SCAMP ABUSES STRAY DOG

It's all in perspective, and for those not familiar with it, Wolverines are U of Michigan fans, Spartans are Michigan State fans, and Buckeyes are Ohio State fans (and Wolverine wannabes). You can take this same joke and logic anywhere in the world, and it still works. Even on the Soccer/Football or cricket matches, it still works.

Get as many viewpoints as possible, and look for the holes. What's left is the truth.

LordKathen · 03-26-2003, 01:35 PM

I have been watching this war daily on MSNBC. I have cought contradictions from one hour to the next. It seems to me that it's not necesarily purposefull, but just them jumping to the gun a bit when they get "breaking news". Then they find out the real numbers or stats or whatever, and deliver the correct news. Inde, has a good point also, "tactical news".

khazadman · 03-26-2003, 03:53 PM

A good example of confusion would be the Iraqi base that the Americans took in Safwan. They requested a team to come in and check for chemical weapons and it got reported that they had found them.

Kakero · 03-26-2003, 07:17 PM

ever seen the eastern one? I think it was AL Jaheira ( sp? ). They show nothing else but civilian houses got bombed, people crying for their dead loves one, Iraqi Troops with AK47 and RPGs etc.

Wilbur · 03-26-2003, 07:41 PM

I would trust Western reports, but only after a while. America runs off of wanting to make money, which gets us sensationalism in the news and eager reporters get things wrong. Nobody wants to be known for being wrong though and after about a day or so I'd assume it's safe to say that whatever they are saying is true.

03-26-2003, 10:19 AM	#1
Rikard_OHF Beholder Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: Het Hertogdom Gelre!!!!! Age: 39 Posts: 4,364	Do you believe everything that channels like CNN and BBC world report? [ 03-26-2003, 10:19 AM: Message edited by: Rikard_OHF ] __________________ [img]\"http://confed.xl-designs.com/siggeh18.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /> <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[bunny]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/bunny.gif\" /> Return of the Bunny Army! <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[bunny]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/bunny.gif\" />

03-26-2003, 10:35 AM	#2
Indemaijinj Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 43 Posts: 1,163	The US have clearly stated that misinformation is part of their war tactic. Otherwise I have a bit more trust in the truthfullness of their news. Yet their image is distorted. Not by what they choose to broadcast, but by what they do NOT chose to broadcast. The war in the former republic of Congo has for example attained a body count rivalling that of WW2 (including civilians) with little notice. Also the EU countries have kept devastating trade policies towards the third world firmly in place without any public outcry of any significance. Why? Because what's out of sight is out of mind. __________________ The Bleak Caballero<br /><br />Proud and original member (and secret admirer) of the Pro-Mazzy movement.

03-26-2003, 11:02 AM	#4
johnny 40th Level Warrior Join Date: April 15, 2002 Location: Utrecht The Netherlands Age: 58 Posts: 16,981	I only believe what i see with my own eyes, or hear with my own ears. And Barend en Van Dorp of course. __________________

03-26-2003, 11:26 AM	#5
antryg Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: August 30, 2002 Location: Dallas, Tx. Age: 21 Posts: 1,765	I believe that these are reliable news services but bias affects all people at all times. A reporter sees an event a reports what they see from their viewpoint. This is not dishonesty but rather interpeting based upon our cultural/educational/life experiences. No report can show or understand every viewpoint, isolated reporters cannot tie in what they see to the overall picture. Yesterdays headlines give a glimpse into the problem. Coalition forces were "ambushed" and "fierce fighting" took place. The push to Bagdad "has slowed due to fierce resistance." When you listen to the whole report or read the interview you find that 100-500 Iraqi troops were killed and no Coalition forces were killed. The headlines make you think that the Coalition is stopped or losing. Beating off an attack, inflicting caualties, and suffering no losses is usually considered a victory. __________________

03-26-2003, 12:42 PM	#6
Bungleau 40th Level Warrior Join Date: October 29, 2001 Location: Western Wilds of Michigan Posts: 11,752	There are always three sides to a story: his, hers, and the truth. I think it's important to get the news from a variety of sources to get as many of those three sides as possible. Reminds me of an old joke: A reporter was walking along and saw a boy hitting a dog. He stopped and asked why, and the boy explained that the dog had attacked his dog, and he was defending his dog. The reporter whips out his notebook and starts writing a headline: YOUNG WOLVERINES FAN SAVES FAMILY PET The boy interrupts and says that he's not a Wolverines fan. The reporter starts over: YOUNG SPARTAN PROTECTS THE HELPLESS The boy interrupts again, and says that he's really a Buckeys fan. Reporter start over again: REDNECK BUCKEYE SCAMP ABUSES STRAY DOG It's all in perspective, and for those not familiar with it, Wolverines are U of Michigan fans, Spartans are Michigan State fans, and Buckeyes are Ohio State fans (and Wolverine wannabes). You can take this same joke and logic anywhere in the world, and it still works. Even on the Soccer/Football or cricket matches, it still works. Get as many viewpoints as possible, and look for the holes. What's left is the truth. __________________ B Save Early, Save Often Save Before, Save After Two-Star General, Spelling Soldiers -+-+-+ Give 'em a hug one more time. It might be the last.

03-26-2003, 10:52 AM	#3
Dreamer128 Dracolisk Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Europe Age: 39 Posts: 6,136	The only news that comes out of Iraq has been edited by the either the Iraqi's or the Americans... So; no, I don't believe everything CNN, BBC World, (or any Dutch station for that matter) tells me.

03-26-2003, 01:35 PM	#7
LordKathen Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: September 15, 2002 Location: Kennewick, WA Age: 52 Posts: 3,166	I have been watching this war daily on MSNBC. I have cought contradictions from one hour to the next. It seems to me that it's not necesarily purposefull, but just them jumping to the gun a bit when they get "breaking news". Then they find out the real numbers or stats or whatever, and deliver the correct news. Inde, has a good point also, "tactical news". __________________

03-26-2003, 03:53 PM	#8
khazadman User suspended until [Feb13] Join Date: December 6, 2001 Location: the south side of ol virginny Age: 62 Posts: 1,172	A good example of confusion would be the Iraqi base that the Americans took in Safwan. They requested a team to come in and check for chemical weapons and it got reported that they had found them.

03-26-2003, 07:17 PM	#9
Kakero 40th Level Warrior Join Date: March 24, 2002 Posts: 10,215	ever seen the eastern one? I think it was AL Jaheira ( sp? ). They show nothing else but civilian houses got bombed, people crying for their dead loves one, Iraqi Troops with AK47 and RPGs etc.

03-26-2003, 07:41 PM	#10
Wilbur Zhentarim Guard Join Date: May 25, 2002 Location: Centerville, Ohio Age: 35 Posts: 374	I would trust Western reports, but only after a while. America runs off of wanting to make money, which gets us sensationalism in the news and eager reporters get things wrong. Nobody wants to be known for being wrong though and after about a day or so I'd assume it's safe to say that whatever they are saying is true.

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