confused about imroved intiative

Zoltan · 10-27-2002, 05:35 AM

it sounds useless to me because it does not effect the casting speed of character, it effects intiative (who starts first after rolling 1d10, +1 on 1d10 roll is nothing) I tried it, I cast a fireball with imp int and without imp int I really cant see any difference. am I right or wrong? comments welcome

SpiritWarrior · 10-27-2002, 06:06 AM

Improved Initiative does affect the casting speed *and* the weapon speed of the character who has it. It's excellent and I arm everyone I can with it.
Your talking of the core D&D initiative roll which they don't use in these games as theres no good way to reflect the initiative roll within the infinity engine (paralysis of your chars for one round if they fail the check is no fun).

Zoltan · 10-27-2002, 08:38 AM

no you're wrong
just try and see

I thought that imp int is something like robe of vecna in bg2. but it's not. It does not disincrease casting speed nor weapon speed. totaly useless feat

Nightowl2 · 10-27-2002, 10:45 AM

A reduction of 1 in casting time or weapon speed is not easy to measure. Maybe a little more useful for spellcasting. I haven't seen much difference myself in weapon use.

Nightowl2

Jack of Speed · 10-27-2002, 01:31 PM

I think it does improve casting time... but things like that are small but cumulative... lots of little things ad up to make a powerful wizard. AND a little off topic... Most of the time when my sorc casts a spell he has to wait awhile before he casts the next one... with one major exception. He can cast Animate Dead and then IMMEDIATELY cast Otilukes Resilient Sphere. Whats the deal with that?

Nightowl2 · 10-27-2002, 04:44 PM

Animate Dead takes a full round to cast. When it's done, you can cast a new spell because it's another round. Otiluke's Sphere is a 1-segment spell, so goes off very fast.

When you cast a spell that takes less than a round, say 3 segments, you have to wait for the round to end because you only get one action per round when spellcasting. So it seems longer, but actually the time is the same.

Nightowl2

SpiritWarrior · 10-27-2002, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Zoltan:

Quote:

no you're wrong
just try and see

I thought that imp int is something like robe of vecna in bg2. but it's not. It does not disincrease casting speed nor weapon speed. totaly useless feat

Read the feat description, it does both of these things so yes it does work. Unless you have the unpatched version and it's a bug.

Jack of Speed · 10-28-2002, 12:53 AM

AHHH! Thx nightowl... But it was nice to think I was getting away with something. [img]smile.gif[/img] But its great timing for my HoF Otilukes RS/Animate Dead Strat...
Im so cheap. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Nightowl2 · 10-28-2002, 12:49 PM

Jack, better to be cheap and alive than honest and dead

Besides, you're simply using the rules to your advantage. Nothing wrong with that!

Nightowl2

10-27-2002, 05:35 AM	#1
Zoltan Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 17, 2001 Location: Waterdeep Age: 43 Posts: 1,222	it sounds useless to me because it does not effect the casting speed of character, it effects intiative (who starts first after rolling 1d10, +1 on 1d10 roll is nothing) I tried it, I cast a fireball with imp int and without imp int I really cant see any difference. am I right or wrong? comments welcome __________________ I can feel the touch of wind on my face. Strong wind was slapping my face. I can feel the ground shake. The sky roars with vengeance and fury. From the shadows, I heard the Archmage's words:"İbne Fenner!" And then..I can't remember the rest..

10-27-2002, 06:06 AM	#2
SpiritWarrior Jack Burton Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 5,854	Improved Initiative does affect the casting speed and the weapon speed of the character who has it. It's excellent and I arm everyone I can with it. Your talking of the core D&D initiative roll which they don't use in these games as theres no good way to reflect the initiative roll within the infinity engine (paralysis of your chars for one round if they fail the check is no fun). __________________ Still I feel like a child when I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon...

10-27-2002, 08:38 AM	#3
Zoltan Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 17, 2001 Location: Waterdeep Age: 43 Posts: 1,222	no you're wrong just try and see I thought that imp int is something like robe of vecna in bg2. but it's not. It does not disincrease casting speed nor weapon speed. totaly useless feat __________________ I can feel the touch of wind on my face. Strong wind was slapping my face. I can feel the ground shake. The sky roars with vengeance and fury. From the shadows, I heard the Archmage's words:"İbne Fenner!" And then..I can't remember the rest..

10-27-2002, 01:31 PM	#5
Jack of Speed Manshoon Join Date: October 3, 2002 Location: Washington State, USA Age: 45 Posts: 246	I think it does improve casting time... but things like that are small but cumulative... lots of little things ad up to make a powerful wizard. AND a little off topic... Most of the time when my sorc casts a spell he has to wait awhile before he casts the next one... with one major exception. He can cast Animate Dead and then IMMEDIATELY cast Otilukes Resilient Sphere. Whats the deal with that? __________________ \"You better move now little darlin\' or you\'ll be <br />trading fours with the Jack of Speed\" -Steely Dan

10-28-2002, 12:53 AM	#8
Jack of Speed Manshoon Join Date: October 3, 2002 Location: Washington State, USA Age: 45 Posts: 246	AHHH! Thx nightowl... But it was nice to think I was getting away with something. [img]smile.gif[/img] But its great timing for my HoF Otilukes RS/Animate Dead Strat... Im so cheap. [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ \"You better move now little darlin\' or you\'ll be <br />trading fours with the Jack of Speed\" -Steely Dan

10-27-2002, 10:45 AM	#4
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	A reduction of 1 in casting time or weapon speed is not easy to measure. Maybe a little more useful for spellcasting. I haven't seen much difference myself in weapon use. Nightowl2

10-27-2002, 04:44 PM	#6
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	Animate Dead takes a full round to cast. When it's done, you can cast a new spell because it's another round. Otiluke's Sphere is a 1-segment spell, so goes off very fast. When you cast a spell that takes less than a round, say 3 segments, you have to wait for the round to end because you only get one action per round when spellcasting. So it seems longer, but actually the time is the same. Nightowl2

10-28-2002, 12:49 PM	#9
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	Jack, better to be cheap and alive than honest and dead Besides, you're simply using the rules to your advantage. Nothing wrong with that! Nightowl2

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