well- heres one of those sorta opinionated topics

warnie · 11-18-2003, 04:37 PM

where every one gives thier view but it makes for good reading(sometimes) LMAO

1) druid or cleric and why or why not.

2) is a Paladin really worth it as say per another fighter type.( i do have one , but i dunno sometimes lol}

3)what spells are the best to have memorised for both cleric and mage?

4)how many multis should a party have and why.

these are some of the things that plague my thoughts at times , so i f you can offer any relief , go for it....

ps. i wouldnt wanna see a lizzies version of a big mac!

pritchke · 11-18-2003, 05:16 PM

1) druid or cleric and why or why not.
Either, both have healing spells, Cleric is better for undead fights, however a druid is not defenceless against Undead, Druid has powerful offensive spells, and can eventually shape change into powerful elementals, as an extra bonus after awhile they never tire. I like both classes but if I had to pick I would go with the druid, offensive spells, shape change (Elementals).

2) is a Paladin really worth it as say per another fighter type.( I do have one , but I dunno sometimes lol}

I would say no, unless you are going with a small party, would like the best combo of a cleric and fighter without having to multiclass.

3)what spells are the best to have memorised for both cleric and mage?
(I will answer later)

4)how many multis should a party have and why.

For me depends on the size of the party.
5 to 6 no need for multis to take advantage of experience and develop each class to there full potential
3 to 4, I would go with 3 multis, and for the 4 member party the 4th member would be a bard.
1 to 3 members everybody would likely multi

[ 11-18-2003, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

kartetse · 11-19-2003, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by warnie:
2) is a Paladin really worth it as say per another fighter type.( i do have one , but i dunno sometimes lol}

3)what spells are the best to have memorized for both cleric and mage?

4)how many multis should a party have and why.

I like my Pally! He's a real winner with the swords and bows. He works in a pretty nice combo with my two dwarf/fighter/clerics! He's also the strongest with over a 100 HP currently. We actually manage to move some dirt quite fast! As for the spells, Ahzanazzer's Scorcher, fireball, Snollics snowballs, magic missiles, stinking clouds, so far...the most useful is the fireballs - there like modern day incendaries, y'know, bombs...

PS. In this post I don't take responsibility for spelling...
PS. Fixed up some spelling/typo's but I cannot for the life of me remember how to spell the A... Scorcher...

kartetse

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[ 11-19-2003, 07:43 AM: Message edited by: kartetse ]

Dundee Slaytern · 11-19-2003, 06:50 AM

Two spells come to mind, although both only exist with HoW installed.

Vitriolic Acid Sphere and Mordenkainen's Force Missiles.

A Paladin is a must in my party, because they can have the best AC in the game, not to mention access to the best weapon, and for the icing, they can be a backup Cleric with their Clerical spells and Turn Undead ability. As a pureclass, they will also be able to level up faster than a Fighter/Cleric and hit better than a Fighter->Cleric.

Not to say that I don't have Clerics, but it is a Cleric/Ranger. This is always my party setup.

Paladin (the sole tank)
Cleric/Ranger
Fighter/Druid
Fighter (uses Bows)
General Mage
Bard

I play on HoF Mode, so I can afford the party of six.

Dundee Slaytern · 11-19-2003, 06:52 AM

Oh, I forgot to mention Melf's Acid Arrow. Very deadly level 2 spell.

kartetse · 11-19-2003, 07:55 AM

Quick question, Dundee. May I assume that if my Mage cannot write a spell to her Magic Book that it would fall inside her opposing schools' domain? She is specialized as an Invoker(not to sure that was the best choice but it, alas, is too late to change now...)

kartetse

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do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

Dundee Slaytern · 11-19-2003, 08:29 AM

There are only three reasons why a Mage cannot scribe a scroll to his spellbook, and the game will usually inform you why.

1) Nothing happens, but the scroll is still there. This is most probably due to opposing school reasons.

2) You get a message that says you have reached the maximum limit for that spell level. Solution, drink potions that increases your INT and try again.

3) The scroll disappears but the spell does not appear in the spellbook. This means that your Mage has failed to scribe the scroll properly. Solutions include drinking potions to increase INT (success will never be 100% though), or if you really, really, really want the spell, reload.

If the scroll is high level, and beyond your Mage's current memorisation ability, there will be penalties to your chance of success too.

kartetse · 11-19-2003, 09:13 AM

Yar but the button which states 'Write magic' is available with about 2/3 of spells and not for the rest?

kartetse

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do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

Dundee Slaytern · 11-19-2003, 09:50 AM

Plain IWD: The two opposing schools for an Invoker are Enchantment/Charm and Conjuration/Summoning.

With HoW: The two opposing schools for an Invoker are Divination and Conjuration/Summoning.

If the "Write Spell" button is not there, this could be the reason.

Lymond · 11-19-2003, 02:08 PM

1. I prefer a druid, because of the offense abilities that Pritchke mentioned above. The healing powers of the cleric have been great, but I have a bard with War Chant of the Sith, so I don't need them anymore. I'm not a huge fan of turn undead either, because it takes away from fighting time, and you're going to have to fight the guy anyway at some point. I'm still waiting to see someone blow up by it, however. Does anyone have a screen shot of that?

2. I'm not that impressed by the Paladin. I'm playing one now, but I don't like the turn undead feature, her healing ability is insignificant (although fast), and I don't think Pale Justice is that great. She deals out similar damage figures as my other two fighters, so how can it be the best weapon in the game? Am I missing something?

3. Best spells is one of those things people could argue for years about. The ones I find I use most often are: haste, summon elementals, fireball, prayer, the scorcher, that exploding snowball one, tensor's transformation, disintegrate, fire and acid arrows. I find many of the close-in spells are too slow and get interrupted.

4. Multis increase the number of places that experience points get distributed, so you always have to keep that in mind. Six multis is like having twelve people, so you'll level up too slowly. That's why my latest experiment is a bunch of dual classes.

Lymond

11-19-2003, 02:08 PM	#10
Lymond Manshoon Join Date: February 6, 2003 Location: Boston, MA Age: 55 Posts: 175	1. I prefer a druid, because of the offense abilities that Pritchke mentioned above. The healing powers of the cleric have been great, but I have a bard with War Chant of the Sith, so I don't need them anymore. I'm not a huge fan of turn undead either, because it takes away from fighting time, and you're going to have to fight the guy anyway at some point. I'm still waiting to see someone blow up by it, however. Does anyone have a screen shot of that? 2. I'm not that impressed by the Paladin. I'm playing one now, but I don't like the turn undead feature, her healing ability is insignificant (although fast), and I don't think Pale Justice is that great. She deals out similar damage figures as my other two fighters, so how can it be the best weapon in the game? Am I missing something? 3. Best spells is one of those things people could argue for years about. The ones I find I use most often are: haste, summon elementals, fireball, prayer, the scorcher, that exploding snowball one, tensor's transformation, disintegrate, fire and acid arrows. I find many of the close-in spells are too slow and get interrupted. 4. Multis increase the number of places that experience points get distributed, so you always have to keep that in mind. Six multis is like having twelve people, so you'll level up too slowly. That's why my latest experiment is a bunch of dual classes. Lymond __________________ Hard work pays off in the long run. Laziness pays off right now.

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11-18-2003, 04:37 PM	#1
warnie Dungeon Master Join Date: November 9, 2003 Location: well , bondi beach sorta Posts: 63	where every one gives thier view but it makes for good reading(sometimes) LMAO 1) druid or cleric and why or why not. 2) is a Paladin really worth it as say per another fighter type.( i do have one , but i dunno sometimes lol} 3)what spells are the best to have memorised for both cleric and mage? 4)how many multis should a party have and why. these are some of the things that plague my thoughts at times , so i f you can offer any relief , go for it.... ps. i wouldnt wanna see a lizzies version of a big mac!

11-18-2003, 05:16 PM	#2
pritchke Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: September 5, 2001 Location: Calgary, AB Age: 49 Posts: 3,491	1) druid or cleric and why or why not. Either, both have healing spells, Cleric is better for undead fights, however a druid is not defenceless against Undead, Druid has powerful offensive spells, and can eventually shape change into powerful elementals, as an extra bonus after awhile they never tire. I like both classes but if I had to pick I would go with the druid, offensive spells, shape change (Elementals). 2) is a Paladin really worth it as say per another fighter type.( I do have one , but I dunno sometimes lol} I would say no, unless you are going with a small party, would like the best combo of a cleric and fighter without having to multiclass. 3)what spells are the best to have memorised for both cleric and mage? (I will answer later) 4)how many multis should a party have and why. For me depends on the size of the party. 5 to 6 no need for multis to take advantage of experience and develop each class to there full potential 3 to 4, I would go with 3 multis, and for the 4 member party the 4th member would be a bard. 1 to 3 members everybody would likely multi [ 11-18-2003, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

11-19-2003, 06:50 AM	#4
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Two spells come to mind, although both only exist with HoW installed. Vitriolic Acid Sphere and Mordenkainen's Force Missiles. A Paladin is a must in my party, because they can have the best AC in the game, not to mention access to the best weapon, and for the icing, they can be a backup Cleric with their Clerical spells and Turn Undead ability. As a pureclass, they will also be able to level up faster than a Fighter/Cleric and hit better than a Fighter->Cleric. Not to say that I don't have Clerics, but it is a Cleric/Ranger. This is always my party setup. Paladin (the sole tank) Cleric/Ranger Fighter/Druid Fighter (uses Bows) General Mage Bard I play on HoF Mode, so I can afford the party of six.

11-19-2003, 06:52 AM	#5
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Oh, I forgot to mention Melf's Acid Arrow. Very deadly level 2 spell.

11-19-2003, 07:55 AM	#6
kartetse The Magister Join Date: October 10, 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 54 Posts: 114	Quick question, Dundee. May I assume that if my Mage cannot write a spell to her Magic Book that it would fall inside her opposing schools' domain? She is specialized as an Invoker(not to sure that was the best choice but it, alas, is too late to change now...) kartetse --------------------- do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

11-19-2003, 08:29 AM	#7
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	There are only three reasons why a Mage cannot scribe a scroll to his spellbook, and the game will usually inform you why. 1) Nothing happens, but the scroll is still there. This is most probably due to opposing school reasons. 2) You get a message that says you have reached the maximum limit for that spell level. Solution, drink potions that increases your INT and try again. 3) The scroll disappears but the spell does not appear in the spellbook. This means that your Mage has failed to scribe the scroll properly. Solutions include drinking potions to increase INT (success will never be 100% though), or if you really, really, really want the spell, reload. If the scroll is high level, and beyond your Mage's current memorisation ability, there will be penalties to your chance of success too.

11-19-2003, 09:13 AM	#8
kartetse The Magister Join Date: October 10, 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 54 Posts: 114	Yar but the button which states 'Write magic' is available with about 2/3 of spells and not for the rest? kartetse --------------------- do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

11-19-2003, 09:50 AM	#9
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Plain IWD: The two opposing schools for an Invoker are Enchantment/Charm and Conjuration/Summoning. With HoW: The two opposing schools for an Invoker are Divination and Conjuration/Summoning. If the "Write Spell" button is not there, this could be the reason.

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