08-11-2003, 02:26 PM | #1 | |
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Talk about being nailed to the financial cross for peace activism.
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08-11-2003, 02:43 PM | #2 |
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Even in America "Free" speach isnt that free is it?
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08-11-2003, 02:46 PM | #3 |
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If anyone knows this woman, send her to me. I'll do it pro bono. F**k the establishment. I support(ed) the war, but it is her right to exercise her free speech -- even by being an idiot and going to Iraq to stand in front of the US War Machine.
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08-11-2003, 02:51 PM | #4 | |
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08-12-2003, 04:09 AM | #5 |
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Let me get this straight.
The US government can actually FORBID their citizens to go to another country? That's like the USSR! I understand trade sanctions and the like but not being able to go at all? Are they fining journalists who were stationed in Iraq at that time too? This reminds me of the "1000 Mark Sperre": in the early 30ies when the German NSDAP could not get the Austrian fascists to support the "Anschluss" Nazis imposed a 1000 Reichsmark tax/fine on every German citizen who wanted to cross the border to Austria. So slowly again: I GET forbidding certain people (e.g. former Nazis) to enter your country. I GET forbidding certain people (e.g. poeple on trial) to leave your country. I DO NOT GET forbidding people to enter ANOTHER country. On what legal grounds? I thought that once you leave the US your action basically do not fall under US jurisdiction. Next thing US citizens will get speeding tickets for travelling at 100mph on the German "Autobahn" (which allows up to about 160mph) during their holidays.
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08-12-2003, 04:32 AM | #6 | |
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I don't agree with what's being done to this woman - it strikes me of vindictiveness that does nothing either for the Aministrations case for the Iraq war or for its general reputation. |
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08-12-2003, 05:17 AM | #7 | |
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08-12-2003, 06:04 AM | #8 |
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Well, what about others who have 'broken the law', like Faceman's journalists.
Should the law only be applied selectively? The real question here is why she is being singled out when it is clear that there were *many* US citizens in Iraq, for a variety of reasons, virtually all of which are illegal (if the new definition of 'trade' is to apply). |
08-12-2003, 11:38 AM | #9 |
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Generally
break law -> face the consequences is smart thing But there are some laws or ACTUALLY some interpretations of law that just do not make sense or seem even dangerous. Forbid a citizen of a free country to visit another country is a serious reduction of his civil rights and reminds me very strongly of the USSR, GDR and the whole Warsaw Pact states during Cold War. Trade embargos are understandable but the amount of "trade" generated by a single person who just stays, eats and sleeps is ridiculous. And what about international corporations who have offices in Iraq and still did business with Saddam? Are they guilty under US law? Will their US representatives and outlets face charges? Or did they already pay their equal 10,000 $ fine?
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08-12-2003, 12:19 PM | #10 |
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Americans can get visas to Cuba. My law school took a group there. Lots of Hollywood-ites venture there.
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