Pokey or Cokey?

[Donut]

Where you live - do you do the hokey-cokey or the hokey-pokey?

In the UK we do the hokey-cokey but I notice in Rokenn's sig he does the hokey-pokey.

This kept me awake for a large part of the night so I would be interested in why we do different things.

[ 09-25-2003, 07:07 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

[Donut]

Larry La Prise, who wrote the Hokey Cokey, has died aged 93. The worst part was getting him in the coffin. They put his left leg in, then the bloody trouble started!

[Donut]

I'm brushing up on the hokey cokey because it will be my specialised subject when I go on Matermind:

Why do we sing the Hokey-Cokey?

Hmm...... well ....back in 17th century Puritan England anything 'popish' or Roman Catholic was viewed with great suspicion and open to, at best, ridicule. The Hokey-Cokey, with its song and actions, is a mimicry of the Roman Catholic Mass.

In those days the priest faced the altar (not the people) and performed several actions as he consecrated the bread and wine at Holy Communion. The words of the service were in Latin. You put your left arm in ......etc was ridiculing the priest as he lifted his arms heavenward during the rite. You do the Hokey- Cokey and you turn around............ was when the priest turned to face the congregation with the host (consecrated bread) to offer it to them.

Ooooh, the Hokey-Cokey......... hokey-cokey is a corruption of the Latin words of consecration - Hoc est corpus: 'This is my body' (Note: many of the strange words and phrases of our language are corruptions of other languages introduced to our country over the years and few were educated enough to speak or understand Latin). Knees bend, arm stretch, ra-ra-ra....... knees bend is a ridicule of the genuflection (a kind of religious curtsey to the altar) of the priest, arm stretch is when he holds up his hands at the point of consecration in the service, and ra-ra-ra is just a mimicry of the Latin words and prayers they didn't understand.

Today, many people do not know the origin of the song/dance and just do it for fun, especially to teach children co-ordination (and their right from their left). Today, in England, the Roman Catholic Mass is said in English and is so similar to the Holy Communion of the Church of England that, sometimes, if you didn't know what church you were in............

[shadowhound]

Originally posted by Donut: Where you live - do you do the hokey-cokey or the hokey-poey?

Well where I am from it has always been hokey-pokey

[wellard]

Originally posted by Donut: Larry La Prise, who wrote the Hokey Cokey, has died aged 93. The worst part was getting him in the coffin. They put his left leg in, then the bloody trouble started!

LMAO [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

And thanks for the info re the hokey Cokey, two things you have taught me in two days. Good on ya Donut.

[Cloudbringer]

HAHAHAHA! I thought you were introducing a new pal for Gumby, there, pastry pal o'mine! LOL!

Oh and hereabouts it's 'pokey' for the hokey-pokey song and 'Pokey' for the orange horsey guy who pals around with Gumby the blue thingamabob. Hmmm Cokey also had me thinking this new buddy of Gumby's would be shaped like Coca-cola bottle...HAHAHAHAHA!


ahem... [img]graemlins/blush.gif[/img] uh... I think I need sleep or caffeine... [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img]

[Firim Silraven]

Originally posted by Donut: Today, in England, the Roman Catholic Mass is said in English and is so similar to the Holy Communion of the Church of England that, sometimes, if you didn't know what church you were in............

No, the communion in the C of E is similar to the Catholic mass, not the other way round. Catholicism has stayed basically the same since the counter reformation, except for the fact that it is now often said in whatever country's native tongue, rather than universally latin. It's the C of E that has changed more. And it's hypocritical, in that it calls itself protestant but actually bears very little relation to the protestant ideal. The vision of Luther, Zwingli, Calvin and others was to focus only on the message, cutting out all the crap. This meant bare churches with no ornaments, ministers wearing plain dress, etc. But look in any C of E church and there's ornaments, gold, and ministers wearing vestments just as ornate as Catholic priests.

Of course, this isn't the modern churches fault. Elizabeth I just didn't really know if she was Catholic or Protestant so in the Religious Settlement of 1559 she basically came to a compromise between her brother's strict Protestant beliefs, and her sister's Catholicism, which had divided the country since Henry VIII had died, and his church was just "catholicism without the Pope", because Henry was a Catholic but just fell out with the Pope. He never established the Protestant Church in England, Edward VI did, and Elizabeth I established the church we know today.

Sorry, I seemed to stray off a bit there. I've just got a gripe about the C of E being so hypocritical. I could give more examples but I'll shut up.

[wellard]

That was intresting too Firim Silraven, Though I would strongly disagree with the concept of LIZ#1 being undecided. Pragmatic posssibly, but remind us again what she did with her catholic sister Maybe someone would be brave enough to post a discussion thread on the benifits or pet hates of both churches. I have to many issues to even begin commenting on the catholic church and to many friends here i may upset.

[Davros]

Hokey Pokey over here Donut - you sure this Cokey think is the real deal and isn't the corruption (holds his two hands horizontally outwards, palms facing and about 8 inches apart [img]smile.gif[/img] ). It's catching on you know

[TX_Chris]

here we have the hokey-pokey, you knw "oooooo, hokey pokey pokey.." or something like that...