SUV ownership == sponsoring terrorism?

[Chewbacca]

While I find the off-hand use of the the term "sponsoring terrorists" wasteful, I find gas guzzling vehicles of all sorts to also be noxious and wasteful.

Perhaps we should legalize drugs to keep the terrorists, the criminals, and the goverment from profiting from them and criminalize gasoline.

[homer]

Originally posted by The Hunter of Jahanna: As far as this whole block goes my opinions are as follows, A If you cant or DONT vote then you have no say., B If you dont have a job or are living on handouts from the government then you should shut up and be thankfull someone is there to make up the slack from your lazieness. Even wheelchair bound and blind people can hold down jobs., C A "real"job is any job where you get paid for preforming a task. So , no I dont consider being a student a job. A job builds character and work ethics and shows you what you can do with whatever talents you possess.

So are you saying that those of us that do not work should just keep our mouths shut? I cannot say that I agree with this opinion. Have you considered the large number of the population who stay at home while their significant other works? For instance, staying home to take care of their child. If these people are legal citizens and vote, do you still believe they are not entitled to voice their opinion? Or should they only voice their opinion to the working member of the family so he or she can then give a public opinion. That seems kind of barbaric to me.

I also do not think that being a student is a job; it may be as difficult sometimes, however it is not a job. Do you not agree that most people go to school in order to obtain a good JOB in the future? There are a good number of jobs out there that require a person to have a wide range of knowledge. Where do you want them to obtain this knowledge? I do not think that the country would function well if we just try to make it by on our God given talents.

[ 01-10-2003, 01:08 AM: Message edited by: homer ]

[Ar-Cunin]

Originally posted by HolyWarrior: Riddle me this, Batman. Why is it that the same leftist environmental wackos who so oppose SUVs because they use Mideast oil turn around and keep us dependent on Mideast oil by not allowing drilling in Alaska?

Probably because they are worried that the drilling will damage/destroy an environmentaly sensitive area. I image that they would like to see alternative energyscources used. And scrapping SUV's would allow the oil to be used more intelligent. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Ar-Cunin: quote: Originally posted by HolyWarrior: Riddle me this, Batman. Why is it that the same leftist environmental wackos who so oppose SUVs because they use Mideast oil turn around and keep us dependent on Mideast oil by not allowing drilling in Alaska?

Probably because they are worried that the drilling will damage/destroy an environmentaly sensitive area. I image that they would like to see alternative energyscources used. And scrapping SUV's would allow the oil to be used more intelligent. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Environmentally sensitive? I have been there, it is frozen tundra, it would take a good sized meteor or asteroid to really make an "impact". They said the same old B.S. about the Alaskan Pipeline in the 70's and yet the Alaskan environment is just hunky dory and still there.

The truth is...If you support terrorist if you use SUV's because of their reletively low gas mileage, then you must also say that if you oppose drilling in ANWAR, off the coast of California and in the Gulf of Mexico then you are also supporting terrorists, because you are continueing our dependance on foreign oil.

Ms. Arianna Huffington, sold her SUV's recently and bought a prius...but travels on private Jets and takes frequent shopping trips to europe on them..this according to a pilot uses roughly 7000 gallons of jet fuel (a petroleum product) which is equal to more oil than a SUV uses in a year.
Ms. Huffington has just bought a 9000 square foot home to heat..which requires the use of petroleum products, her co-sponsors for these stupid ad's are as bad, Norman Leer (spelling?) just built a 21 car garage...has multiple palatial mansions and burns more oil than some small towns. Let these asses lead the way and walk the walk before they start condemning every soccre mom who needs more room than a prius offers.

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Look, some SUVs are safer and some cars are safer. SUV does not necessarily equal safe. Mercedes cars (e-class, s-class), for instance, are safer than most SUVs, and are safer than the Mercedes M-class. Volvos are moving tanks, whether SUVs or not. On the flip side (pun), many SUVs have rollover problems, etc. Hehe flip side hehe Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited gets my vote for safest tank I ever crashed in As for the article, it makes me [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] because this tripe usurps perfectly sane reasons to argue for people to make the decision (note, USA = generally free) not to buy big gas guzzlers. On that note, large Lincolns, limos, etc, are gas guzzlers too. The only problem w/ SUVs is they avoid the gas guzzler tax that guzzling cars get hit with. This particular platform though, that SUVs support terror, is as attenuated as silly as those frigging commercials saying that buying drugs supports terror. One is democratic BS made to tug our heartstrings rather than exercise our brains, the other is republican BS made to tug our heartstrings rather than exercise our brains.

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by MagiK: The truth is...If you support terrorist if you use SUV's because of their reletively low gas mileage, then you must also say that if you oppose drilling in ANWAR, off the coast of California and in the Gulf of Mexico then you are also supporting terrorists, because you are continueing our dependance on foreign oil.

In that case I declare President George W Bush and Govenor Jeb Bush of Florida supporters of terrorism. Since they have locked up the Florida coast from any new off shore oil drilling. The bombing will begin in five minutes! [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]

[Timber Loftis]

MagiK, though I haven't researched it thoroughly, I think there are some serious problems with drilling in Alaska. First, I'll post this link to let you know that the USF&WS has concerns. http://www.defenders.org/wildlife/ar...ll/usfws4.html
If you deem them not credible (which would be hard since they do make lots of environmentally unpopular decisions), then I'll try to come up with something else.

You are dead wrong regarding tundra. Alpine and Arctic regions are some of the most fragile on the planet. What life does exist there is very dependent on its specific niche and very sensitive to disturbance. These are the places where you aren't even allowed to walk off the trail for fear of damaging the ecosystem.

I think we're going [img]graemlins/offtopic.gif[/img] and I do apologize - but at least the thread is living, breathing, growing - IT'S ALIVE!!!

Seriously, I'm not about to support digging up one of the US's true natural gems for oil we don't need just because the president from Texas likes to see oil derricks blanketing the horizon.

[Ar-Cunin]

Originally posted by MagiK: Environmentally sensitive? I have been there, it is frozen tundra, it would take a good sized meteor or asteroid to really make an "impact". They said the same old B.S. about the Alaskan Pipeline in the 70's and yet the Alaskan environment is just hunky dory and still there.

And some people want it to remain that way [img]smile.gif[/img] Exactly because it is a frozen tundra, the animallife that lives there (or migrates to and from) are threatened by changes.

The truth is...If you support terrorist if you use SUV's because of their reletively low gas mileage, then you must also say that if you oppose drilling in ANWAR, off the coast of California and in the Gulf of Mexico then you are also supporting terrorists, because you are continueing our dependance on foreign oil.

Or - as I said - use different scources of energy and generally less oil. BTW I don't think I've said it, but I find this 'accusation' (SUV-ownership = terrorist-support) to be ridiculous.

Ms. Arianna Huffington, sold her SUV's recently and bought a prius...but travels on private Jets and takes frequent shopping trips to europe on them..this according to a pilot uses roughly 7000 gallons of jet fuel (a petroleum product) which is equal to more oil than a SUV uses in a year. Ms. Huffington has just bought a 9000 square foot home to heat..which requires the use of petroleum products, her co-sponsors for these stupid ad's are as bad, Norman Leer (spelling?) just built a 21 car garage...has multiple palatial mansions and burns more oil than some small towns. Let these asses lead the way and walk the walk before they start condemning every soccre mom who needs more room than a prius offers.

I must admit that I have no idea who Ms. Arianna Huffington (or a prius) is. But to say that she is hypocritical because she flies a jet is also ridiculous. It would be the same to say that people that fight against poverty should start by giving away all their money to help.

Originally posted by Ar-Cunin: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Environmentally sensitive? I have been there, it is frozen tundra, it would take a good sized meteor or asteroid to really make an "impact". They said the same old B.S. about the Alaskan Pipeline in the 70's and yet the Alaskan environment is just hunky dory and still there.

And some people want it to remain that way [img]smile.gif[/img] Exactly because it is a frozen tundra, the animallife that lives there (or migrates to and from) are threatened by changes.


Nice way of avoiding what I said and looking like you rebutted it. [img]smile.gif[/img] Time and again it has been shown that the animals will survive even if you put some wells in their back yard or a pipeline accorss their carpet.

You make a point though..."Some People" are trying to accomplish through dictatorial edicts what they cannot accomplish through the normal majority rules way of doing things. The hollywood nut jobs behind thislatest anti-SUV thing are a MINORITY trying to force their views and rules on the majority.

The truth is...If you support terrorist if you use SUV's because of their reletively low gas mileage, then you must also say that if you oppose drilling in ANWAR, off the coast of California and in the Gulf of Mexico then you are also supporting terrorists, because you are continueing our dependance on foreign oil.

Or - as I said - use different scources of energy and generally less oil. BTW I don't think I've said it, but I find this 'accusation' (SUV-ownership = terrorist-support) to be ridiculous.


Of course it is, since if you use that kind of logic, just by existing you are causing the destruction of the world...by breathing all the air and eating all the food.

Ms. Arianna Huffington, sold her SUV's recently and bought a prius...but travels on private Jets and takes frequent shopping trips to europe on them..this according to a pilot uses roughly 7000 gallons of jet fuel (a petroleum product) which is equal to more oil than a SUV uses in a year. Ms. Huffington has just bought a 9000 square foot home to heat..which requires the use of petroleum products, her co-sponsors for these stupid ad's are as bad, Norman Leer (spelling?) just built a 21 car garage...has multiple palatial mansions and burns more oil than some small towns. Let these asses lead the way and walk the walk before they start condemning every soccre mom who needs more room than a prius offers.

I must admit that I have no idea who Ms. Arianna Huffington (or a prius) is. But to say that she is hypocritical because she flies a jet is also ridiculous. It would be the same to say that people that fight against poverty should start by giving away all their money to help.

Not even close to being the same thing...Ms. Huffington is a Hollywood bimbo columnist that that ignited this latest eco-brouhaha in the states. She espouses many fine points...but always for other people...not herself of course.
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[ 01-10-2003, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Originally posted by Rokenn: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: The truth is...If you support terrorist if you use SUV's because of their reletively low gas mileage, then you must also say that if you oppose drilling in ANWAR, off the coast of California and in the Gulf of Mexico then you are also supporting terrorists, because you are continueing our dependance on foreign oil.

In that case I declare President George W Bush and Govenor Jeb Bush of Florida supporters of terrorism. Since they have locked up the Florida coast from any new off shore oil drilling. The bombing will begin in five minutes! [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]
Gee and to hear all the liberals here talk the Bush family will do anything the oil companies want...amazing how it works both ways....