When does a criminal become a criminal - Page 2

johnny · 12-19-2003, 02:37 PM

You can grow old while infected with HIV though. Even live a normal life like any other person, re Magic Johnson.

I say thinking of crime does not make you a criminal. Everyone has weird thoughts every once in a while. I've been in situations where i really wanted to hurt a certain person. If i had a gun at that moment, i'd have probably used it. It was just a thought though, that doesn't make me a killer.

Mouse · 12-19-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by johnny:
You can grow old while infected with HIV though. Even live a normal life like any other person, re Magic Johnson.

Maybe I'm just getting too hung up on the logic of this whole proposition. I agree with all the above, but it's irrelevant. Whether MJ choses to make his HIV status public knowledge or not does not alter the basic fact that he has the virus.

I've been attending a festive get-together involving several alcoholic drinks today. If I go out tonight, drive my car and run over another person, whether or not I get caught/convicted/punished will not alter the basic fact that I will have committed a crime and would be a criminal.

But rest assured, for tonight, my car stays safely parked

johnny · 12-19-2003, 03:02 PM

Nothing wrong with that, have a ball Mouse.

John D Harris · 12-19-2003, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Mouse:
I would ratchet the whole thing back. As soon as you have committed a crime you're a criminal. Whether you have been caught/convicted/punished by the state is immaterial. That's just adding official recognition post facto.

It's like being HIV positive. As soon as you have the virus, that's your status. The test only confirms it.

Agreed but unlike a virus, a crime is a subjective thing. Subject to the authority that desides what is and isn't a crime, and if that authority has the power and will to project it's authority. If no law is broken it is not a crime. Was Ghengis Khan a criminal? By our modern standards, most would say yes, by the standards of those in authority (namely him), to deside if he was not a criminal, the answer is no.

Leonis · 12-19-2003, 09:19 PM

Good point John. It all depends whether 'crime' is an absolute or an opinion.

12-19-2003, 02:37 PM	#11
johnny 40th Level Warrior Join Date: April 15, 2002 Location: Utrecht The Netherlands Age: 58 Posts: 16,981	You can grow old while infected with HIV though. Even live a normal life like any other person, re Magic Johnson. I say thinking of crime does not make you a criminal. Everyone has weird thoughts every once in a while. I've been in situations where i really wanted to hurt a certain person. If i had a gun at that moment, i'd have probably used it. It was just a thought though, that doesn't make me a killer. __________________

12-19-2003, 03:02 PM	#13
johnny 40th Level Warrior Join Date: April 15, 2002 Location: Utrecht The Netherlands Age: 58 Posts: 16,981	Nothing wrong with that, have a ball Mouse. __________________

12-19-2003, 09:19 PM	#15
Leonis Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 6, 2001 Location: Somewhere on Earth - it changes often Posts: 1,292	Good point John. It all depends whether 'crime' is an absolute or an opinion. __________________ Better run through the jungle! Grrr...

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