Everyone Read -- Concerning Respect for Mods and other Members

[Kaltia]

Crystal Clear, Dundee, but that doesn't make it right. As Skywalker accuratly pointed out, we are not sheep or (some of us) children. We are independantly thinking beings capable of rational thought. We do not need to be herded along like some little dumb animals.

[ 11-24-2002, 03:26 PM: Message edited by: Kaltia ]

[Spelca]

Ooh, I just have one question. Totally innocent. [img]smile.gif[/img] Do the rules apply to moderators too? What happens if the moderators themselves break the rules? I understand nothing will if Ziroc does, because it is his forum, of course, but I was just thinking what happens if a mod does. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Luvian]

Originally posted by skywalker: I always knew that those were the rules here..to keep the peace I guess they are necessary. But to have them worded in this way leaves a bitter aftertaste and may make many of the members here think long and hard about whether it is worth it to be here. We all have our own rights to be here or not, and mods and Ziroc can push us in a given direction. To hear you (Luvian & Dundee Slaytern) push the rules so mercilessly in our faces is not pleasant. If we do not like it, that is just too bad. I'd like to think that this is not exactly how Ziroc has envisioned this forum's atmosphere to be like. The mods here may deserve a higher respect quotient, but they are not gods, and should not rule with an ironfist. True, questioning a mod's decision erodes the ability for them to keep order. But we should not be treated as children or as following sheep. I need to think on this place some more. Mark

I agree. Things are usually not like this. But some members seem to think they can get away by breaking the rules. As soon as they settle down, or all leave/get banned, things will go back to how they where.

It is simple. Like childrens do to their parents, they are trying to test our limits, and to break our authority. Well... they will be disapointed. We value the troll free atmosphere of this forum more than a few members, and unlike parents, we can get rid of trouble makers.

We might seem hard right now, but if you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear...

[Kaltia]

Originally posted by Spelca: Ooh, I just have one question. Totally innocent. [img]smile.gif[/img] Do the rules apply to moderators too? What happens if the moderators themselves break the rules? I understand nothing will if Ziroc does, because it is his forum, of course, but I was just thinking what happens if a mod does. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I believe Larry's post about his experiences when he said something wrong should clear this up?

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Kaltia: Mods: While essentially you are correct I believe it is reasonably basic to earn reference and respect first instead of just assuming it be granted? Also I find it absoloutly childish the way both Neb and Lord Shield have been treated since they were banned. The avatars and labelling of dissidents, the changes to their profiles, are petty and spiteful.

Kaltia, I would advise you to tread carefully and watch what you say. Could you for instance, please sent in a Private Message examples where they were treated childishly? Last I recall, all the Moderators that were contact with them tried giving them second chances, but they brushed them aside.

Members who reacted inappropriately to them were also reprimanded. Believe it or not, we also do not condone other people flaming banned members. The avatars and labels were most assuredly not out of spite or pettism.

[skywalker]

I find the whole discussion of "We know what's good for you, take or leave it!" makes me feel edgy.

I try to obey the rules and have found myself wondering if I would be banned on several occasions. It's not a happy feeling. This forcing of rules is not a good atmosphere for IW, either.

I'm not one of the members that would be missed if I was suddenly gone, but it bothers me that many good, long time members are gone, because they no longer "fit". It is sad, really.

Mark

[Kaltia]

Really, Dundee? Then why do something as stupid and degrading as tag Neb's gender in his profile as "Child"? Are you all *that* determined to set an example? Lord Shield has a good reason for being banned, an abusive e-mail to Ziroc, amittedly, but Neb?
Neb disagreed with a few mods and asked a question probably meant to be in humour...and he gets banned? Like Skywalker I think I have to sit back and think on a future in a place where my friends are dropping like flies.

[ 11-24-2002, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: Kaltia ]

[Luvian]

Originally posted by skywalker: I find the whole discussion of "We know what's good for you, take or leave it!" makes me feel edgy. I try to obey the rules and have found myself wondering if I would be banned on several occasions. It's not a happy feeling. This forcing of rules is not a good atmosphere for IW, either. I'm not one of the members that would be missed if I was suddenly gone, but it bothers me that many good, long time members are gone, because they no longer "fit". It is sad, really. Mark

Skywalker, as long as you treat other members and moderators as you would like to be treated, nothing bad will happen.

[Ar-Cunin]

Originally posted by Luvian: I agree. Things are usually not like this. But some members seem to think they can get away by breaking the rules. As soon as they settle down, or all leave/get banned, things will go back to how they where.

I hope and think that you're right [img]smile.gif[/img]

I also think that it is instictive for some members to protest if they feel that their freedom of speech is curtailed.

Personally I'll feel free to disagree with the mods when they post as 'ordinary members'. When they post as moderators I'll follow their rulings - that is the only way to keep this forum working and not turn in to anarchy.

Just my [img]graemlins/twocents.gif[/img]

[Kaltia]

Originally posted by Ar-Cunin: I also think that it is instictive for some members to protest if they feel that their freedom of speech is curtailed.

Exactly. That is why I am protesting, over the impending curtail of my own and Neb's punishment for his view point.