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Old 06-04-2005, 01:29 AM   #1
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I'm trying to do some last-minute math revision, as I have a test on Monday, and I found a question I can't do. And the mark-scheme doesn't make sense.

The question:

f:x |-> 3^x

Find the solution of the equation f''(x) = 2

My first step was to find the inverse of f(x)... f'(x)

So I let k = 3^x
ln(k) = ln(3^x)
ln(k) = x(ln(3))
x = (ln(k))/(ln3)
(x = log(base 3)(k))

But then I tried finding the inverse of the inverse... f''(x)and got the original function.

The answer scheme, however, says that f'(x) is not what I got at all, but is actually (3^x)(ln(3)).

What am I doing wrong?
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Old 06-04-2005, 01:51 AM   #2
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Well I'm not actually sure what you mean by inverse, what are trying to do with it, or why it would help you get f'(x). You are however correct that x = log(base 3)(k), but I would say that should be obvious from the initial problem, as it is basically the definition of a logarithm.

Here is how I would figure out f'(x) and f''(x):
f(x) = 3^x
f(x) = e^(x * ln(3))
f'(x) = d(e^(x * ln(3)))/dx
f'(x) = e^(x * ln(3)) * ln(3)
f'(x) = 3^x * ln(3)
f''(x) = d(3^x * ln(3))/dx
f''(x) = d(e^(x * ln(3)) * ln(3))/dx
f''(x) = ln(3) * d(e^(x * ln(3)))/dx
f''(x) = ln(3) * ln(3) * 3^x

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Old 06-04-2005, 02:03 AM   #3
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Dammit! That's where the problem lies! I knew I was forgetting something... f'(x) doesn't mean the inverse of x, it means the derivative of it!

D'oh!

Thanks!

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Old 06-04-2005, 04:12 AM   #4
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and f''(x) is the second derivative

f-1(x) is the inverse i think.
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Old 06-04-2005, 06:25 AM   #5
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Yeah... bodes well for monday's exam no?
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Old 06-04-2005, 08:18 AM   #6
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Well I'm not actually sure what you mean by inverse
the inverse is 1/f(x) and onviously, doing 2 inverses would be 1/1/f(x) which =f(x), hence it got Callum nowhere [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Old 06-05-2005, 12:12 AM   #7
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Please tell me this is not Grade 10 math!! :'(

my math exam has been very easy so far, 25 minutes for 15 multiple choice questions [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 06-05-2005, 05:24 AM   #8
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Please tell me this is not Grade 10 math!! :'(

my math exam has been very easy so far, 25 minutes for 15 multiple choice questions [img]smile.gif[/img]
I'm in the 'year 13' although we wouldn't call it that. I'm at college, so i'm a second year. I think it used to be called 'upper-sixth,' but only the oublic schools call it that now i think.
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Old 06-05-2005, 06:19 AM   #9
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Maths multiple choice!?

*blinks*

Wow.. Sounds... difficult.

And I'm in the year below Aragorn1... though we do call it year 12/13 here.
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Old 06-05-2005, 12:54 PM   #10
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Maths multiple choice!?

*blinks*

Wow.. Sounds... difficult.

And I'm in the year below Aragorn1... though we do call it year 12/13 here.
Does your school go from yr 7-13?
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