I'm soo silly

[Vaskez]

Geez Avatar, piss about means mess around or much around, at least Eternity understood.
Hehe, just remembered when you told some 17 year-old on here that you were "an older woman" Eternity. LOL by 1 year right? I have to admit you look older on your picture. But anyway, back on topic, I think all this system changing is stupid....ok so they realised that all-round education was crap in england, but at least you learnt your specific subjects well, now they are just messing it all up. I feel sorry for you lot having to be the "guinea pigs".
Well anyway, if you don't like Maths then I suggest you don't do anything to do with Electronics (LOADS of maths involved).

Avatar, you're not just silly, you're plain worrying. If I knew you better I would be seriously concerned about your mental health at this stage

[ 01-17-2002: Message edited by: Vaskez ]

[Avatar]

Me and Eternity reckon you are a silly bunny at heart.
I mean why else have u been on this thread for sooo long when all others have left?? [img]smile.gif[/img]

When we release your silliness... we'll see just what size shoes u wear won't we sweetie?

c'mon be silly! you know u want too! Just try it! it's sooo addictive!

[ 01-17-2002: Message edited by: Avatar ]

[Aelia Jusa]

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Originally posted by ʆë®Ñï†Ý:

If you've never done:
hyperbolic functions, differentiation/integration of inverse/hyperbolic functions or just inverse/trigonometric functions, finding the relations between trigonometric functions and hyperbolic functions or gotten headaches over orthogonal matrices, compound transformations, singular matrices, eigenvectors and eigenvalues, diagonalising a symmetric matrix, used a matrix to represent the inverse of a combination of transformations, found the transpose of a matrix, transformations from the z-plane to the w-plane, modulus inequalities, loci in the complex plane, polar coordinates, areas of regions expressed in polar coordinates, transforming from polar to cartesian form and the converse, cardiods, lemniscates, found the focus-diretrix property of the ellipse, intrinsic coordinates, radius of curvature, catenary curves, parametric coordinates, rectangular hyperbola, Maclaurin's series, Taylors expansion, finding intersections of more than one plane, proof by induction, nth order differential equations, nth root of ANY complex number, solved a polynomial with real coefficiant but complex roots (usually in conjugate pairs), nth roots of unity, de moivre's theorem, exponential form of a complex number, modulus-argument form of a complex number, dot and cross product, vector equations of planes, volumes of parallelepiped&tetrahedrons, evaluating triple scalar products, reduction formulae in applications of integrations, found the surface are of revolution, calculated arc length, found equations of tangents and normals to hyperbola in more than one form......etc

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The depressing thing is I understood ALL of these things. And then I read Vaskez's list. And with a sinking heart realised I understood all of those as well Happily, though, I can no longer remember how to do any of them [img]tongue.gif[/img] I shall never have nightmares again

[ʆë®Ñï†Ý]

Avatar! *poutz* just cuz u ran away...and kept running 7 yrs later ~makes a face at u~ and STOP pretending to be stupid!! GGGRRRrrrrRRRrrrRRRrr! a less stupid person I have NEVER met! ~grumbles~ if you're stupid I must be an imbecile! and that's something I just won't accept ~gglz~ besides... u know I don't like u putting urself down sweetie *liXXXxx*

Vaskez...ohhh u r soooo clever *winkz* however did you guess? ~chuckles~ I just couldn't resist teasing *bright grin* mmm I think looking older has something to do with being Chinese...maybe our skin tone? I've noticed that Chinese ppl tend to look about 30 when they're 20 then stay looking around 30 even when they're 40 *grynz* which is great for me!

Oh, don't get me wrong! I luv doing maths! I just find it hard going sometimes and a lot of effort (compared to the effort I have to put into other subjects), but when it's going well and I've gotten my head round certain things it's great! *beaming* I swear! After you've done enough integration of hyperbolic functions you don't even have to think and it just happens *wry grin* but that usually only lasts as long as you're still learning it.

I've never done Electrical or Electronic stuff. I thought it would be an interesting subject to study... what kind of stuff does it entail?

I didn't think all round education is crap here *L* Only in so much as we're always bored stiff before we reach GCSEs! They could've started us on simple principles aaagggeeess ago! All we had were maths booklets of extra work for people who knew their times tables *rollz eyes* I HATED humanities though! I found it soooooooo pointless! I remember when the whole point of the lesson was to have the best set of colouring pens/pencils *LMAO* A lot of it is also which school you go to. You just happen to fit into some schools better than others.

In a way I agree with the abolition of Grammer schools... but in other ways I think the old system was better, why drag people who don't want to learn into school when all they're going to do is disrupt classes and hold other students back? On the other hand the divide was wayyy too big! and it's usually too early to tell who was gonna be "bright"

I also detest the way exams are the measure of "cleverness" Some people are just good at exams but I know ppl who might not ace exams but irl they are amazingly clever!

Heh, and you don't need to worry about Avatar's mental health.. I'm keeping a very close eye on it ~wink~... *cuddles Avatar*

Yay!! Mel!! Another person to ask when I get stuck! heehee ~gleeful grin~ did you find that stuff hard to learn? Or were u just a genius? ~wry grin~ in my class there r these 2 geniuses that literally understand everything! It's totally depressing as they're always being amazing... there r only 3 ppl in my maths class. Everyone else are in different classes. I wish I was with everyone else... then I wouldn't always be the dumbest one...

*tickles pink* awww I was born in the year of the piggy! and my dad says the amount I eat, I am a piggy *gglz* when was pink born? in the year of the pig too?

[ 01-18-2002: Message edited by: ʆë®Ñï†Ý ]

[Avatar]

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Originally posted by Aelia Jusa:


The depressing thing is I understood ALL of these things. And then I read Vaskez's list. And with a sinking heart realised I understood all of those as well Happily, though, I can no longer remember how to do any of them [img]tongue.gif[/img] I shall never have nightmares again

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*BIG SIS*!!! [img]graemlins/wavey.gif[/img] u did all that too? EAKS!

I thought u do Classics st Uni. LOL what a huge difference.
Nightmares? Oh yeah those....
that's why we have odd dreams Eternity! [img]smile.gif[/img]

*PINK*!!! I miss u!!!!!!! *hugs PINK real tight* I miss u!

[ 01-18-2002: Message edited by: Avatar ]

[Aelia Jusa]

Well Eternity you're welcome to ask but, uh... how do you differentiate again? [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] I was very ordinary at it. I was good at school, but then I made the very foolish move of doing engineering maths subjects in first year university. Down went my GPA It's only now just recovering.

Yep, you're right Weisi, I do do classics. My foray into maths was just to fill up credits, and dare I say, for fun?

[Vaskez]

Well Eternity Electronics involves the following things at uni:
- Logic circuits, learning boolean logic, how to make basic gates out of transistors then how to make e.g. flip-flops out of transistors and to make state-machines out of those and to make whole processors out of those and other bits .
- There is a lot of maths involved to back up the circuit theory- mostly physicsy maths. You need to be able to calculate mostly voltages, responses of circuits to certain inputs and of course this can get complicated.
- You will learn normal programming languages like java and C, although only at a basic level and then you will be expected to learn the rest yourself!
- You will also learn Hardware Description Languages such as ABEL (Advanced Boolean Equation Language, IIRC) VHDL (Very high speed integrated circuit Hardware Description Language) in which you write code that describes the things like flip-flops and state machines that you learnt earlier and then use the code to program F.P.G.A.s (field programmable gate arrays) and PALs (programmable array logic) to do stuff for you, You get to make things like electronic combinational locks, SMS message sending and receiving circuits, circuits that play music etc.
- You will use C to program simple microprocessors like PIC and SPARC and learn how their assembler languages work.
- You will also learn a lot of Communications- you know like about mobile phones and satellite communications. This involves a bitch-load of maths to describe the signals in terms of sine and cos waves for a start and to describe the transfer functions and the various types of modulation you can apply.

It sounds like hard work and it is! But it's bloody interesting and when you get over the initial shock as to the complexity you actually start to enjoy the fact that you are a smart-ass bastard/biyatch who knows how to make things others only dream about


I can tell you much less about Electrical/Eclectromechanical Engineering as I haven't done it but this involves as I said, Electricity and Physics on a much larger scale.
- You do a little bit of logic circuits like in electronics but you do more about control- e.g. learning how to program big systems like robots and electromechanical machines to do what you want.
- You learn more about physics in general I think, more about "classical physics" like energy and heat etc.
- You do a lot of the same maths as Electronics students though.
- Learn a programming language, probably C.
- Learn some mechanics as well, properties of materials required for Electrical applications.
- Electromagnetics etc.

Another course you might wanna consider is Computer Science:
This involves mainly just software topics and "light" hardware topics, e.g. you will learn about the subsystems of a computer, but not about the Electronics (the transistor, state machine, circuitry of it).
- Mucho programming Learn Java, C, C++, HTML etc., NOT hardware description languages.
- Learn loads of stuff like algorithms used in Comp Science, data storage, compression (how ZIP works! [img]smile.gif[/img] ), sorting algorithms.
- Learn how operating systems work (windows 2000 etc.) in GREAT detail.
- The only maths you do is repeat of some A level stuff and maths to help you with algorithms for programming, discrete maths.
- Computer Architecture, software engineering.
- How to make compilers for programming languages, so you can make your own programming languages (who needs java and C? hehe)
- Much more software related stuff then I can mention


But the best course IMO is Computer Engineering! [img]smile.gif[/img] This is exactly half Computer Science and half Electronics so it's for people who wanna know about all the topics above, but in less detail of course.
So in many ways it can be the harder, but it's good if you are not that sure what you wanna do, or you are interested in everything computer/electronics related.
Phew, done enough typing for a week.

[ 01-18-2002: Message edited by: Vaskez ]

[Downunda]

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Originally posted by Vaskez:
Well Eternity Electronics involves the following things at uni:
- Logic circuits, learning boolean logic, how to make basic gates out of transistors then how to make e.g. flip-flops out of transistors and to make state-machines out of those and to make whole processors out of those and other bits .
- There is a lot of maths involved to back up the circuit theory- mostly physicsy maths. You need to be able to calculate mostly voltages, responses of circuits to certain inputs and of course this can get complicated.
- You will learn normal programming languages like java and C, although only at a basic level and then you will be expected to learn the rest yourself!
- You will also learn Hardware Description Languages such as ABEL (Advanced Boolean Equation Language, IIRC) VHDL (Very high speed integrated circuit Hardware Description Language) in which you write code that describes the things like flip-flops and state machines that you learnt earlier and then use the code to program F.P.G.A.s (field programmable gate arrays) and PALs (programmable array logic) to do stuff for you, You get to make things like electronic combinational locks, SMS message sending and receiving circuits, circuits that play music etc.
- You will use C to program simple microprocessors like PIC and SPARC and learn how their assembler languages work.
- You will also learn a lot of Communications- you know like about mobile phones and satellite communications. This involves a bitch-load of maths to describe the signals in terms of sine and cos waves for a start and to describe the transfer functions and the various types of modulation you can apply.

It sounds like hard work and it is! But it's bloody interesting and when you get over the initial shock as to the complexity you actually start to enjoy the fact that you are a smart-ass bastard/biyatch who knows how to make things others only dream about


I can tell you much less about Electrical/Eclectromechanical Engineering as I haven't done it but this involves as I said, Electricity and Physics on a much larger scale.
- You do a little bit of logic circuits like in electronics but you do more about control- e.g. learning how to program big systems like robots and electromechanical machines to do what you want.
- You learn more about physics in general I think, more about "classical physics" like energy and heat etc.
- You do a lot of the same maths as Electronics students though.
- Learn a programming language, probably C.
- Learn some mechanics as well, properties of materials required for Electrical applications.
- Electromagnetics etc.

Another course you might wanna consider is Computer Science:
This involves mainly just software topics and "light" hardware topics, e.g. you will learn about the subsystems of a computer, but not about the Electronics (the transistor, state machine, circuitry of it).
- Mucho programming Learn Java, C, C++, HTML etc., NOT hardware description languages.
- Learn loads of stuff like algorithms used in Comp Science, data storage, compression (how ZIP works! [img]smile.gif[/img] ), sorting algorithms.
- Learn how operating systems work (windows 2000 etc.) in GREAT detail.
- The only maths you do is repeat of some A level stuff and maths to help you with algorithms for programming, discrete maths.
- Computer Architecture, software engineering.
- How to make compilers for programming languages, so you can make your own programming languages (who needs java and C? hehe)
- Much more software related stuff then I can mention


But the best course IMO is Computer Engineering! [img]smile.gif[/img] This is exactly half Computer Science and half Electronics so it's for people who wanna know about all the topics above, but in less detail of course.
So in many ways it can be the harder, but it's good if you are not that sure what you wanna do, or you are interested in everything computer/electronics related.
Phew, done enough typing for a week.

[ 01-18-2002: Message edited by: Vaskez ]

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I'm a shift supervisor at a video store

[Avatar]

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Originally posted by Downunda:


I'm a shift supervisor at a video store

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That's more like it! LOL!!!!

I just want to be a masking tape when I grow up. Or even a really important traffic light?

Vas! thanks for explaning all that to us!!

[Vaskez]

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Originally posted by Avatar:


Vas! thanks for explaning all that to us!!

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I thought you would have known about this stuff as you said you were doing engineering. Or is that a completely different area of engineering like civil or mechanical engineering?