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Old 10-04-2001, 07:42 AM   #51
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Thanks for the comfort Melusine.. Feel much better now...

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Old 10-04-2001, 07:49 AM   #52
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Thanks for the comfort Melusine.. Feel much better now...

LOL, you asked for it! Now what kind of lame self criticism is that if you can't bear anybody agreeing with it?

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Old 10-04-2001, 07:55 AM   #53
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*runs away, crying loudly* Memnoch!! Melusine's teasing me!!

Weet ik wel! Maar ik stel me graag aan!

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Old 10-04-2001, 09:23 AM   #54
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But it's by means of the struggle that we grow, Sharpedge. Yes/No?

Hmm. Now that's an interesting question. It's something I've often considered and I believe it to be entirely relevant to the human condition (which is why I like the quote so much). Would our lives have any meaning if we didn't have to deal with our darker side (and, indeed, the darker side of life in general)? I would say our 'duel nature' is both a strength and a weakness. Growth is not always triggered by conflict, though I suppose some of our most profitable evolutions originate in hardship.

It’s not a question that can be answered quickly or easily and the only thing I’m sure of is that I cannot give a complete answer.

What do you think?



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Old 10-04-2001, 09:37 AM   #55
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Re number 1) - I had a boyfriend like that once.....


You don't think I'm a guy, do you? I'm a girl (you'll have to take my word for it )!

Actually, I have to keep saying that to myself because I usually back off when pple get too loud or aggressive... too much of a softie at times
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Old 10-04-2001, 09:43 AM   #56
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Hmm. Now that's an interesting question. It's something I've often considered and I believe it to be entirely relevant to the human condition (which is why I like the quote so much). Would our lives have any meaning if we didn't have to deal with our darker side (and, indeed, the darker side of life in general)? I would say our 'duel nature' is both a strength and a weakness. Growth is not always triggered by conflict, though I suppose some of our most profitable evolutions originate in hardship.

It’s not a question that can be answered quickly or easily and the only thing I’m sure of is that I cannot give a complete answer.

What do you think?

Going to answer your question with a question, at least initially... What would you see as the non conflict/non dark side factors that contribute to growth as being?

(Would also like to make the rather obvious point that conflict/the presence of the shadow side doesn't always result in growth. It is possible to blame all situations/events on third parties, completely abdicating one's own responsibility in relation to such. This is a well worn path, and I have walked it myself many times, especially in younger years.

This type of response often has its roots in the fact that many people don't realise the potential for growth that lies within each one of us, or are afraid of it. They take refuge in 'powerlessness' and the consequent inaction that that way of thinking brings, with the result that the growth that could have taken place, does not.

Growth is inevitable, however, however slowly it happens, and I have noticed that if one refuses to learn from a certain situation or event, life is likely to evolve in such a way that the opportunity for a particular form of growth is presented again and again.

This repetition is due, generally speaking, to one's being stuck in (often unconscious) behavior patterns. Such behavior patterns lead to consequences which must be dealt with, again and again, presenting themselves often in different guises, but presenting themselves nevertheless. Until the source of the patterns are explored and understood, chances are that you'll keep coming up against the same type of problems/uncomfortable or difficult life situations until you have 'grown out' of them.

Anyway, that's what I think! Bit simplistic, maybe... but it'll have to do for now..


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Old 10-04-2001, 09:46 AM   #57
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[B] You don't think I'm a guy, do you? I'm a girl (you'll have to take my word for it )!

B]
Hey dudette, sorry, my remark was just me being flip, and not meant to reflect on you in any way whatever! BTW, I like your 'name'.....



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Old 10-04-2001, 09:57 AM   #58
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Just have a minute, so I'll cram a lot into this:
Growth without conflict would include include understanding through observation and meditation. growth is possible through reflection on the patterns observed in the world around us. One could argue that conflict is still present in the situations being observed, but I think that would be tertiary.

Tothespring, welcome! Don't fret gender-bending, it happens quite often around here.

Silver Cheetah, in re the former boyfriend, was that a way of resolving conflict, or just the price of admission, so to speak? If the former, I may become more argumentative with you...

Fljotsdale, the mermaid quote actually had me all misty-eyed. how poignant.



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Old 10-04-2001, 10:01 AM   #59
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Hiya, Absynthe!!!

Glad to see you sneaking in here again!

Got your message the other day, btw, and thanks. Thought maybe you just didn't like my questions any more.

I, personally, would NEVER post from work...*looks around to see if boss is looking*

Sorry to go off topic for a moment, but gotta take any opportunity to say a quick 'hi'!

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Old 10-04-2001, 10:03 AM   #60
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Hmmm . . . can't think of a quote that captures my "essence" exactly (in fact, I think it debatable that humans have such "essences" ) but here is a quote I really like as an approach to life, which I was reminded of a couple of days ago:


"It is not the critic who counts. Not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause. Who, at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt


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