I'm having problems with Macs

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Thoran: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Jobs (Apple computers) went to Mircosoft first for them make some programs for the MAC. Bill Gates somehow then came up with the idea for windows (will wonders never cease [img]smile.gif[/img] ). Jobs then went to Adobe systems and they started their graphics programs for the MAC first (Illustrator, Photoshop) Thats why MAC's have the lion's share of the graphics industry (ad agencies, printshops, and the like)

Yup... and where did Jobs get the idea for the GUI again?

[/QUOTE]Why, He stole it from them boys at xerox's (experimental)computer division before xerox dismantled it, along with eithernet.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by MILAMBER: quote: Originally posted by Sir Goulum: [QB]sighs* There is probably the simplest thing in the whole entire world that you have missed. If your computor is crashing all the time, and you are having to restart, try reinstalling the system software. Macs need that every couple of months...don't ask me why, they just do. QB]

That is completely false. Macs are actually better about needing to reload the OS than PC's are. I haven't had to reload the os on my G4 since I bought it over a year ago. I'm still running OS 8.6 on it because some of my audio programs like Cubase aren't supported by OSX yet.[/QUOTE]I haven't had to reload my os in 3 years, I'm running os 8.1. But sir Goulum is onto some thing, and reloading a MAC os is a piece of cake. But I'd trash the prefs fist then reload last.

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by John D Harris: Mac's can multitask on paper but they are RAM hogs so unless you have lots of RAM it's not that effective in real life. I've run into some problems with multitasking if I open Photoshop then Illustrator, Illu for some reason shuts down my virex control panel, photoshop doesn't need it to run. But if photo is opened with virex control panel on then it gets shut down while Photo is open it causes problems, crashes, not being able to print (can't find print driver) and other silly crap. If I close Illu then open Photo everything runs fine. The biggest problem I found with running MAC is some times the programs cause conflicts with other programs. ie: Nortron's utilies 4.0(maybe 5.0 can't remember off the top of my pointed head) wouldn't run if Norton's anti-Virus 4.5 was installed. go figure both made by the same company but they would work together. I fought for 3 days trying to figure out what the problem was, I finaly called Symatic they said oh they won't run if they are both on the same machine.

Er... I was considering getting a Mac this December, but I multitask all the time and I will go absolutely batty if I have to open, close and reopen programs. I guess I will wait until they settle the RAM issue before considering them again.

[Thoran]

Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by Thoran: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Jobs (Apple computers) went to Mircosoft first for them make some programs for the MAC. Bill Gates somehow then came up with the idea for windows (will wonders never cease [img]smile.gif[/img] ). Jobs then went to Adobe systems and they started their graphics programs for the MAC first (Illustrator, Photoshop) Thats why MAC's have the lion's share of the graphics industry (ad agencies, printshops, and the like)

Yup... and where did Jobs get the idea for the GUI again?

[/QUOTE]Why, He stole it from them boys at xerox's (experimental)computer division before xerox dismantled it, along with eithernet. [/QUOTE]
Hehe... what killed me about the whole thing was that Jobs was indignant that Gates stole the technology HE stole from Xerox.

[Sir Goulum]

Originally posted by MILAMBER: That is completely false. Macs are actually better about needing to reload the OS than PC's are. I haven't had to reload the os on my G4 since I bought it over a year ago. I'm still running OS 8.6 on it because some of my audio programs like Cubase aren't supported by OSX yet.

Well, mine needs to be reinstalled every few months or so...kind of a nuisance, but otherwise it constantly freezes

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Mac's can multitask on paper but they are RAM hogs so unless you have lots of RAM it's not that effective in real life. I've run into some problems with multitasking if I open Photoshop then Illustrator, Illu for some reason shuts down my virex control panel, photoshop doesn't need it to run. But if photo is opened with virex control panel on then it gets shut down while Photo is open it causes problems, crashes, not being able to print (can't find print driver) and other silly crap. If I close Illu then open Photo everything runs fine. The biggest problem I found with running MAC is some times the programs cause conflicts with other programs. ie: Nortron's utilies 4.0(maybe 5.0 can't remember off the top of my pointed head) wouldn't run if Norton's anti-Virus 4.5 was installed. go figure both made by the same company but they would work together. I fought for 3 days trying to figure out what the problem was, I finaly called Symatic they said oh they won't run if they are both on the same machine.

Er... I was considering getting a Mac this December, but I multitask all the time and I will go absolutely batty if I have to open, close and reopen programs. I guess I will wait until they settle the RAM issue before considering them again.[/QUOTE]I multitask all the time on my MAC. I actually sync up TWO music programs at once (and they are both memory hogs).

[WOLFGIR]

Er.. Postscript and font handling is no advantage on the Mac anymore. Was until win2k came out though. Nowadays, bah no problem with either, and with the ICC file color managment you don´t need to bother. What built in?

What kind of products do you use man..

You need to constantly check everything when you do desktop publishing regardless on what OS or puter you sit with..

Biggest problem has been that many PC users havent had the knowledge of all the desktop publishing technics and requirements, and as you said, graphic (print at least) orientated publications have been using Mac´s to almost 95%, but this is changing as well. Here in Sweden we are a bit divided, I still sit in a 80% Mac city, whereas other places are becomming more and more 50/50.

And crossover between Mac and PC is only a limitation if you don´t know what you are doing.

I prefer my PC to the Macintosh for most programs, but I work mostly with Multimedia and webdesign on it and I haven´t got Quark for it. Need to work with Quark, make it on a Mac, need to make PDF files, I make the PS file on a Mac, distills on my PC. No problemo. There are only advantages to how you like to work. The machines are just machines, doing what you tell them to do. The best machine is the machine that lets you do what you need to do, and that is usually the machine you understand to work with. Photoshop and Illustrator work exactly the same for both Mac and PC, as do InDesign, Quark etc etc.

The Mac isn´t better for color correction, not anymore, it used to be but isn´t. As long as you are aware of the color curves and the color correction profiles, you can use any monitor you like and any computer that you can change the colors on.
I know, I work professionally making print and web on both platforms. No problemo. Only problem is that sooo many people like Powerpoint..

[WOLFGIR]

]I multitask all the time on my MAC. I actually sync up TWO music programs at once (and they are both memory hogs).[/QB]

Yorrrick, that is because you have ALOT of RAM in your portable little wonder

If you are looking for a Mac to use, think BIG on RAM and you will be oki. If the PC says, 512 is oki, you can manage, take that by 1.5 or double and you will be oki with a Mac. No problem at all.

[Thoran]

Originally posted by WOLFGIR: Er.. Postscript and font handling is no advantage on the Mac anymore. Was until win2k came out though. Nowadays, bah no problem with either, and with the ICC file color managment you don´t need to bother. What built in? What kind of products do you use man.. You need to constantly check everything when you do desktop publishing regardless on what OS or puter you sit with.. Biggest problem has been that many PC users havent had the knowledge of all the desktop publishing technics and requirements, and as you said, graphic (print at least) orientated publications have been using Mac´s to almost 95%, but this is changing as well. Here in Sweden we are a bit divided, I still sit in a 80% Mac city, whereas other places are becomming more and more 50/50. And crossover between Mac and PC is only a limitation if you don´t know what you are doing. I prefer my PC to the Macintosh for most programs, but I work mostly with Multimedia and webdesign on it and I haven´t got Quark for it. Need to work with Quark, make it on a Mac, need to make PDF files, I make the PS file on a Mac, distills on my PC. No problemo. There are only advantages to how you like to work. The machines are just machines, doing what you tell them to do. The best machine is the machine that lets you do what you need to do, and that is usually the machine you understand to work with. Photoshop and Illustrator work exactly the same for both Mac and PC, as do InDesign, Quark etc etc. The Mac isn´t better for color correction, not anymore, it used to be but isn´t. As long as you are aware of the color curves and the color correction profiles, you can use any monitor you like and any computer that you can change the colors on. I know, I work professionally making print and web on both platforms. No problemo. Only problem is that sooo many people like Powerpoint..

I'll have to defer to your knowledge of the Mac, I'm a PC only household... but my understanding is that Windows ICM system is still not up to ColorSync when it comes to capability and ease of use. Little stuff like requiring that input device, image file, and output device specifically support the standard... wheras ColorSync is supposed to work on anything... once calibrated.

While I'm no content creation professional, I've used a lot of PC packages for graphics (Photoshop, Photo-Paint, Paint Shop Pro, etc...), video editing (I've got a JVC DV camera/firewire and I usually use Adobe Premiere & After Effects) and other media oriented tasks (like creating/managing almost 100gigs of MP3's [img]smile.gif[/img] ), so I do know that a lot of the so called advantages the Mac crowd claim are so much spit in the wind... but I also know that the Mac still owns the content creation market, and it's share has been fairly stable based on what I've read. Given the relative weakness of their hardware, I can't imagine that inertia is the only thing keeping Content guys loyal... there MUST be more to it.

Regarding multitasking... prior to OS-X, Apple OS's multitasking was similar to Win9x multiasking, I've always called it "pseudo-multitasking" because it relied on software to give up their control of the system. Of course with OS-X the Unix base gives their system a true high end preemptive OS. Being a nuts and bolts guy, I've always scoffed at Apples software based on the archaic nature of their OS architecture, hell I've been running a preemptive multitasking OS for close to 8 years (starting with OS/2... if anyone can remember that), and that alone has kept me away from Apples. Now of course it's the hardware gap that keeps me away, hopefully they'll resolve that (by going away from the Motorola architecture) and then they might have a chance of competing head-to-head with Wintel (Dog knows SOMEONE needs to step up to the plate)

[ 09-16-2002, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Thoran ]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Mac's can multitask on paper but they are RAM hogs so unless you have lots of RAM it's not that effective in real life. I've run into some problems with multitasking if I open Photoshop then Illustrator, Illu for some reason shuts down my virex control panel, photoshop doesn't need it to run. But if photo is opened with virex control panel on then it gets shut down while Photo is open it causes problems, crashes, not being able to print (can't find print driver) and other silly crap. If I close Illu then open Photo everything runs fine. The biggest problem I found with running MAC is some times the programs cause conflicts with other programs. ie: Nortron's utilies 4.0(maybe 5.0 can't remember off the top of my pointed head) wouldn't run if Norton's anti-Virus 4.5 was installed. go figure both made by the same company but they would work together. I fought for 3 days trying to figure out what the problem was, I finaly called Symatic they said oh they won't run if they are both on the same machine.

Er... I was considering getting a Mac this December, but I multitask all the time and I will go absolutely batty if I have to open, close and reopen programs. I guess I will wait until they settle the RAM issue before considering them again.[/QUOTE]You can add lots of RAM it's cheap now, Hale I remember them it was $200 for 8 megs.