Is Peace profitable? Is sickness prevention profitable?

You are right about that Attalus, you also have to remember that US citizens subsidize the cost of medications for a lot of other countries by paying higher prices for medicines, medical equipment and other things that are researched and produced here and abroad. Canada pays far less for its meds, because we pay more. There was just recently a piece on this cost shifting to the US on the Learning Channel.

[The Hunter of Jahanna]

Why should a doctor have to take what the state is paying them for practiceing their trade?? Maybe all of you infavor of socialized medicine should be forced to take what the state will pay you for whatever work it is that you do. Being a doctor is a marketable skill , just like any other training. Skils go to the highest bidder. If you cant afford something they you dont get it. Health care shouldnt be just given freely.Sickness and disease are natures way of controlling the population after all.

Originally posted by Moiraine: On the contrary, True Moose, teachers, and health professions too, must be well paid. Because salary is the way a society express its respect of a profession. In France too, we are confronted with the educational problems related to a growing disrespect of pupils towards their teachers. Now look at it that way : how can a teacher ever get respect from some brat who will throw in his/her face that his father makes much more money than he/she does ?

What are you doing using money? Currency has no place in a socialist state. Each person does their part to support the whole, there is no need of currency. Each gives according to his ability and each receives according to his need. Isn't that the socialistic manifesto? What need of cash?

Originally posted by John D Harris: Kinda like the way the Big buggie companies, stopped the automobile from coming to market, or the way the big Slide-rule companies stoped the calculator from ever seeing the light of day, or like the way the big wax and wick companies squashed Thomas Edison, or the way Sears Roebuck denied Walmart the ability to get into business. No wait I know you're talking about the way Mircosoft stopped it's competition, by getting sued and broken up Corporate hitmen and espionage/sabotage while it may go on, those are more prevalent in the Movies. Naive and paranoid are different sides of the same coin.

Very Good JD! [img]smile.gif[/img] Nice post. And my thoughts exactly

[Moiraine]

MagiK *sigh* ... I didn't said we were a socialist COUNTRY, I said that we had a socialist GOVERNMENT - until a few months ago anyway.

EDIT : But I see you noticed it all by yourself :

Originally posted by MagiK: You had socialistic governments, doesnt equate to being a socialist state

[ 10-25-2002, 09:56 AM: Message edited by: Moiraine ]

[Moiraine]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Moiraine: On the contrary, True Moose, teachers, and health professions too, must be well paid. Because salary is the way a society express its respect of a profession. In France too, we are confronted with the educational problems related to a growing disrespect of pupils towards their teachers. Now look at it that way : how can a teacher ever get respect from some brat who will throw in his/her face that his father makes much more money than he/she does ?

What are you doing using money? Currency has no place in a socialist state. Each person does their part to support the whole, there is no need of currency. Each gives according to his ability and each receives according to his need. Isn't that the socialistic manifesto? What need of cash? [/QUOTE]What you describe is communism, MagiK. Not socialism. And I wonder what it is you have against proper respect to teachers.

Originally posted by Moiraine: What you describe is communism, MagiK. Not socialism. And I wonder what it is you have against proper respect to teachers.

Not a thing, if I did dislike teachers I certainly never would have gone back to college at age 40 [img]smile.gif[/img] That doesnt mean can't acknowledge certain truths.

I think first we should understand when I comment on teachers/teaching/teachers unions and their proficiency or lack there of, I am speaking only for the situations as they exist in the USA.

I know that here, there are faaaaar too many sub-standard teachers who are teaching our young and that there can be no real competancy testing due to the powerful teachers Unions. Some how it has become unreasonable to expect a teacher to have to be competent in the subjects they teach and tested on it.

Frequently we have english majors teaching our children Physics, and Athletics majors teaching our kids literature. I have a high demand of the teachers who teach me and the teachers who teach my children. I demand they know what they are talking about and are not just parroting a script.

If all you do is read the script, and dont understand the subject matter, you have no business teaching that subject, because you cannot explain it to the students.

So I guess my problem isn't even with the teacher, it is with the system and the unions.

Edit: No I do believe I hit the right "ism" The idea in socialism is that everyones basic needs get met, regardless their rank or station (except that the leaders are more worthy than the common peasent)

[ 10-25-2002, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Originally posted by Moiraine: MagiK *sigh* ... I didn't said we were a socialist COUNTRY, I said that we had a socialist GOVERNMENT - until a few months ago anyway. EDIT : But I see you noticed it all by yourself : quote: Originally posted by MagiK: You had socialistic governments, doesnt equate to being a socialist state

[/QUOTE]I am sorry if I vexed you. I just got kind of excited because I really really had been waiting for you to mention the subject again [img]smile.gif[/img]

I could swear you said that France was a socialist nation. If I misread then I apologize.

[Donut]

Originally posted by Moiraine: Oh, and MagiK, we had to wait for a socialist government to have the remaining 20% of health bills paid for all people who can't afford the extra cost. And France is not going into bankrupcy yet ...

Moiraine didn't mention ' socialist state' in this post.

Sorry all. I'll get me coat!

[ 10-25-2002, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

[Moiraine]

Originally posted by MagiK: I am sorry if I vexed you. I just got kind of excited because I really really had been waiting for you to mention the subject again. I could swear you said that France was a socialist nation. If I misread then I apologize.

MagiK *sigh* ... the point is not about me being 'vexed' or not, it is about you getting all sarcastic about something you imagined I had said, while I had not. Proof :

Oh, and MagiK, we had to wait for a socialist government to have the remaining 20% of health bills paid for all people who can't afford the extra cost.

Paying attention to what people REALLY say is basic courtesy.