Coincidence or fate?

Lauren · 06-07-2004, 01:48 AM

Over the last couple of days I have been pondering over the words
Coincidence and fate.
I don't know which one to believe in, because all in all I am a religious and a scientific believer.
It is difficult for me to decide; that is why I am an agnostic.
Does anyone else find it difficult to believe in certain things?

Firestormalpha · 06-07-2004, 01:59 AM

The age old free will vs. predestination arguement. Personally I think there is a fair share of both in the world. I can't go too much into detail for the reason stated below.

Oh yeah, (for future notice, cuz it doesn't really apply to this thread, yet) tread lightly in the way of religious discussion. There is a moratorium on religious discussions in the forums for the time being. They can get rather heated.

Harkoliar · 06-07-2004, 03:01 AM

there is a ban in religous discussion for reasons specified by firestormalpha...

but in regards to coincidence and fate, i would say a bit of both. im a moderate person and believe in both of them not to the extremes though.

i remember reading an article somewhere (i forgot where exactly). about two identical twins seperated at birth. nearly 30 years later, the two twins met in a spectacular reunion and guess what, both of them became firemen in different states. coincidence or fate? environment or genetics. its so hard to say.

i for say moderation in both depending on the situation.

[ 06-07-2004, 03:10 AM: Message edited by: Harkoliar ]

mad=dog · 06-07-2004, 03:20 AM

Interesting. Both Firestormalpha and Harkoliar does not consider fate and coincidence to be mutually exclusive.
Perhaps they are right. Consider Schrödingers Cat. We know the event has passed (destiny), but we do not know the effect (coincidence). In this case through a microscale/macroscale conversion we assume the cat shares fate with the atom and is neither alive nor dead, but "in between".

I find it difficult to believe in anything! I think one must continously question ones beliefs to avoid becoming a hypocrite.

[ 06-07-2004, 03:21 AM: Message edited by: mad=dog ]

shadowhound · 06-07-2004, 05:04 AM

I am a firm believer in coincidence and not fate. It might just be wishful thinking but I can't believe that we have no control over the events in our lives.

Lauren · 06-07-2004, 05:36 AM

This is all interesting.....many people are in between....but as you can see there are a few people in the population that only believes in one thing.

Dedzy · 06-07-2004, 07:31 AM

Lauren,
Would you please in your own words define 'fate'? I am inclined to agree with Shadowhound though. Fate smacks of destiny and superstition though, which I am a firm non-believer in.

Illumina Drathiran'ar · 06-07-2004, 11:41 AM

I believe in fate, to a point... Fate does not control our lives, none of us have 'destinies' set in stone, but I do believe that, for example, certain people were met to meet.

Xen · 06-07-2004, 04:32 PM

This is similar to this topic:

http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...;f=10;t=019674

Zero Alpha · 06-07-2004, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xen:
This is similar to this topic in which the last post was a month ago, so props on the lack of necro-bumpage:

http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...;f=10;t=019674

fixxed

06-07-2004, 01:48 AM	#1
Lauren Baaz Draconian Join Date: May 24, 2004 Location: Bundaberg, Queensland, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 721	Over the last couple of days I have been pondering over the words Coincidence and fate. I don't know which one to believe in, because all in all I am a religious and a scientific believer. It is difficult for me to decide; that is why I am an agnostic. Does anyone else find it difficult to believe in certain things? __________________ "So many thoughts running through my head, I know what you feel, I know what you dread; When a room's filled with laughter, when a room's filled with lies, you're the only one I know that's in disguise..."

06-07-2004, 01:59 AM	#2
Firestormalpha Knight of the Rose Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Coral Springs, Fl USA Age: 40 Posts: 4,454	The age old free will vs. predestination arguement. Personally I think there is a fair share of both in the world. I can't go too much into detail for the reason stated below. Oh yeah, (for future notice, cuz it doesn't really apply to this thread, yet) tread lightly in the way of religious discussion. There is a moratorium on religious discussions in the forums for the time being. They can get rather heated. __________________ "When you start with a presupposition, it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion." "We are never to judge a philosophy by its abuse." - Augustine "If you're wondering if God has a sense of humor, consider the platypus." http://www.greaterthings.cbglades.com

06-07-2004, 03:01 AM	#3
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 41 Posts: 5,556	there is a ban in religous discussion for reasons specified by firestormalpha... but in regards to coincidence and fate, i would say a bit of both. im a moderate person and believe in both of them not to the extremes though. i remember reading an article somewhere (i forgot where exactly). about two identical twins seperated at birth. nearly 30 years later, the two twins met in a spectacular reunion and guess what, both of them became firemen in different states. coincidence or fate? environment or genetics. its so hard to say. i for say moderation in both depending on the situation. [ 06-07-2004, 03:10 AM: Message edited by: Harkoliar ] __________________ Catch me if you can..

06-07-2004, 03:20 AM	#4
mad=dog Avatar Join Date: April 18, 2004 Location: Copenhagen Age: 48 Posts: 549	Interesting. Both Firestormalpha and Harkoliar does not consider fate and coincidence to be mutually exclusive. Perhaps they are right. Consider Schrödingers Cat. We know the event has passed (destiny), but we do not know the effect (coincidence). In this case through a microscale/macroscale conversion we assume the cat shares fate with the atom and is neither alive nor dead, but "in between". I find it difficult to believe in anything! I think one must continously question ones beliefs to avoid becoming a hypocrite. [ 06-07-2004, 03:21 AM: Message edited by: mad=dog ] __________________ [url]\"http://www.dsr.kvl.dk/~maddog/isur.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Ooooookay. I surrender.</a><br />Sometimes I get the eerie feeling that my computer is operating me and not the other way around.

06-07-2004, 05:04 AM	#5
shadowhound Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: November 24, 2001 Location: Australia Age: 37 Posts: 3,281	I am a firm believer in coincidence and not fate. It might just be wishful thinking but I can't believe that we have no control over the events in our lives. __________________ Carpe Noctem: Ph’nglui mglw’nafh cthulhu r’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.

06-07-2004, 05:36 AM	#6
Lauren Baaz Draconian Join Date: May 24, 2004 Location: Bundaberg, Queensland, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 721	This is all interesting.....many people are in between....but as you can see there are a few people in the population that only believes in one thing. __________________ "So many thoughts running through my head, I know what you feel, I know what you dread; When a room's filled with laughter, when a room's filled with lies, you're the only one I know that's in disguise..."

06-07-2004, 07:31 AM	#7
Dedzy The Magister Join Date: March 19, 2004 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Age: 54 Posts: 100	Lauren, Would you please in your own words define 'fate'? I am inclined to agree with Shadowhound though. Fate smacks of destiny and superstition though, which I am a firm non-believer in. __________________ \"Ph\'nglui mglw\'nafh Cthulhu R\'lyeh wagn\'nagl fhtagn.\" <br />\"In his house in R\'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.\"

06-07-2004, 11:41 AM	#8
Illumina Drathiran'ar Apophis Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: I can see the Manhattan skyline from my window. Age: 38 Posts: 4,673	I believe in fate, to a point... Fate does not control our lives, none of us have 'destinies' set in stone, but I do believe that, for example, certain people were met to meet. __________________ http://cavestory.org PLAY THIS GAME. Seriously. http://xkcd.com/386/ http://www.xkcd.com/406/ My heart is like my coffee. Black, bitter, icy, and with a straw.

06-07-2004, 04:32 PM	#9
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 36 Posts: 8,554	This is similar to this topic: http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...;f=10;t=019674

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