09-28-2001, 05:38 PM | #71 | |
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09-28-2001, 05:46 PM | #72 | |
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I take your point re very different civilisations, however, Britain's history goes back a long way before christianity was imported into this country by the Romans. Judeo-christianity are amongst the roots of our civilisation, along with many other factors. Greek thought, for example, not to mention the old nature worship which is deeply ingrained here. That doesn't invalidate your point however, as the influences are still very different. ------------------ Ascended Mistress of Illumination OR Paws R Us |
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09-28-2001, 06:07 PM | #73 | |
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One merely has to venture to Ireland to see how different modern Britain is even from a modern Celtic society reshaped by Christian ideas. Granted, we have many ideas from Hellenic thought - as we do from Arabian/Islamic mathematical and scientific advances. However, unlike say Athens, women are allowed to vote. Slaves - who could not vote - are no more. Unlike Sparta, men can own land. Unlike the pantheon, the dominant religious idea is Monothesm. Hellas was also a littoral society - one that regarded rivers and waterways as links rather than boundaries: evident in the Hudson dividing New York and New Jersey, or the Channel dividing Britain and France. Hence the problem when Littoral Greece had Ionia taken by the Turks, who see the Agean as a boundary. They were always going to clash in as much as a nomads clash with agriculturists. Ancient Hellas is very different from the West. ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! [This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 09-28-2001).] |
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09-28-2001, 06:47 PM | #74 | |
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09-28-2001, 07:09 PM | #75 | |
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It's interesting that many proclaim the wonderous nature of the Dalai Lama for example, yet fail to answer the question, why do the Chinese hate/fear/oppose him? (Despite the fact that the Chinese Empire created the position in the first place) Why would they oppose the concept of a "God King" that rules his subjects spiritually and physically? How would we feel about King Falwell? Regardless of the benefits of the respective faith, the seperation of church and state is a wonderous thing. Additionally Druidic ideas have had less influence than the aforementioned Islamic ideas on modern western civilisation, yet it is the child of this culture that the current clash involves. Western Civilisation is not merely the product of Celtic Britain. Holland, Spain, The Roman Empire, the Italian north, The German States, Greece and France have all contributed at various stages and in varying degrees, to the Western Civilisation that is being spoken of. There were no Celts in Slavic, Orthodox Russia for example. Aside from being errant, limiting Western Civilisation to British civilisation ignores Berlusconis controversial argument - the very subject we are supposedly discussing. ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! [This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 09-28-2001).] |
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