My Balanced Party? Debate - Page 2

Nanobyte · 10-09-2002, 12:22 AM

Alright, here is what I did. Firstly, I lowered the difficulty level from Core Rules to Easy; if I want to get any farther than chapter 1, this is the only way. I've also reduced my party by 2 members.

My party:

Ingha
Drow
Monk of the Dark Moon
Lawful Evil
Major skills: Concentration, Hide, and Move Silently
Major feats: Blind-fight, Dash, Discipline, Dodge, Great Fortitude, Improved Critical, Improved Initiative, Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes, Strong Back
Relation: No relation to Aevyk and Uldwar, a completely different house, he is sort of an envoy of the Drow, leader

Aevyk
Drow
Demarch of Mask
Neutral Evil
Major skills: Concentration and Spellcraft
Minor skills: Hide and Move Silently
Major Feats: Combat Casting, Courteous Magocracy, Discipline, Extra Turning x3, Heretic's Bane, Improved Turning, Spell Penetration x2
Relation: She is the sister of Uldwar, relatively good fighter, she is usually the one to demand payment, also had a cool convo with the weeping woman..
Spell repertoire: Minor Healing x2, Bane, Moderate Healing, Hold Person
Bonus spells: Sleep and Blur

Uldwar
Drow
Evoker
Lawful Evil
Major skills: Alchemy, Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), and Spellcraft
Major feats: Aegis of Rime, Aqua Mortis, Combat Casting, Scion of Storms, Spell Focus Evocation x2, Spell Penetration x2, Subvocal Casting
Relation: Brother of Aevyk, base arcane magic, intense evocation spells
Spell repertoire: Aganazzar's Scorcher x3, Burning Hands x2, Ice Dagger, Magic Missle, Chill Touch

Before you say anything, don't go lecturing me on the x2 level penalty, because I'm aware of that. So far, I have been extremely successful, also considering this is easy now..

Meriadoc Brandybuck · 10-09-2002, 05:52 AM

well my cents:

my party:
Eowen, lawful evil, thiefling, figher(4 levels thief) (spokesman)
Gothmog, neural good, half orc barbarian
Dain II Ironfoot, lawful neutral, fighter dswarf
Meriadoc Brandybuck, chaotic good, ghostwise rogue
Galadriel, chaotic good, human battleguard
Gandalf the Grey, lawful good, human wizard

and even i die uncountable times ...

1st
only one fighter - that can be troublesome ...
u maybe don't lack on offensive powers - u lack on tanks (hp)

u will meet opponents dealing massive damage

2nd
use magical device is far less powerful than in neverwinter it looks like that it only helps using wands ...

3rd the extra turning feats arn't that useable u don't meet real undead hordes ...

Nightowl2 · 10-09-2002, 11:41 AM

Well, I found extra turning was real handy in Kuldahar, and even in the Fell Woods. Improved Turning, however, I consider a waste; the extra two hit dice is worth very little.

And I'm puzzled why Nanobyte wants those short parties first time through. But to each his or her own.

Nightowl2

Nanobyte · 10-09-2002, 04:04 PM

It's just a thing I have for 6-person parties, can't really stand em. I'll take 5, but 6 is too many. Besides, I've lowered the difficulty from Core Rules to Easy, so I should manage my way through the game with ease. Besides, someone, Ishanda I think, said they made it through with just a monk. Don't worry, be happy

Nightowl2 · 10-09-2002, 04:10 PM

Mmmm...well, when I looked at the "easy" setting, it said combat was normal, but wizards would automatically write spells to their books without needing a spellcraft check. Possibly you want "very easy", where monsters do half damage.

Anyway, good luck with whatever group you end up using.

Nightowl2

Nanobyte · 10-09-2002, 11:28 PM

Ok, Ok. I went to Sorcerer's Place and checked on the quest list, and I've decided that evil is not the way I want to go. So now I REALLY need some input.

This is the sketch of my party
Will improve as I decide on specifics
Again, no particular order:

[img]graemlins/starhappy.gif[/img]
Female
Aasimar
Silverstar of Selune
Neutral Good
Major skills: Concentration and Spellcraft
Minor skills: Diplomacy
Major feats: Combat Casting, Courteous Magocracy, Discipline, Exotic Weapon Bastard Sword x2, Expertise, Extra Turning x2, Heretic's Bane, Spell Penetration x2
Final stats: 13(+1) STR, 14(+2) DEX, 15(+2) CON, 12(+1) INT, 1+4) WIS, 14(+2) CHA

[img]graemlins/shooter04.gif[/img]
Male
Strongheart Halfling
Fighter
Lawful Neutral
Major skills: Search
Minor skills: Concentration x4
Major feats: Cleave x2, Martial Weapon Large Sword x2, Maximized Attack, Power Attack, Simple Weapon Short Blade x2, Strong Back, Stunning Attack, Weapon Finesse
Final stats: 16(+3) STR, 17(+3) DEX, 15(+2) CON, 12(+1) INT, 13(+1) WIS, 10(0) CHA

[img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]
Female
Human
Rogue
Chaotic Good
Major skills: Bluff, Diplomacy, Disable Device, Hide, Intimidate, Move Silently, Open Lock, Pick Pocket, Search and Use Magic Device
Major feats: Arterial Strike, Blind-Fight, Crippling Strike, Dirty Fighting, Dodge, Hamstring, Improved Evasion, Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes, Luck of Heroes, Mercantile Background, Slippery Mind
Final stats: 13(+1) STR, 1

+4) DEX, 14(+1) CON, 15(+2) INT, 10(0) WIS, 13(+1) CHA

[img]graemlins/angelwings.gif[/img]
Male
Gold Dwarf
Paladin of Helm
Lawful Good
Major skills: Diplomacy
Minor skills: Concentration and Spellcraft
Major feats: Discipline, Extra Smiting x2, Great Fortitude, Heretic's Bane, Heroic Inspiration, Iron Will, Martial Weapon Axe, Weapon Finesse
Final stats: 14(+2) STR, 12(+1) DEX, 15(+2) CON, 10(0) INT, 15(+2) WIS, 17(+3) CHA

[img]graemlins/kittynow.gif[/img]
Female
Wild Elf
Druid
True Neutral
Major skills: Animal Empathy, Spellcraft and Wilderness Lore
Minor skills: Concentration
Major feats: Combat Casting, Dash, Extra Wild Shape x2, Forester, Lightning Reflexes, Spell Focus Transmutation x2, Wild Shape Boring Beetle, Wild Shape Panther, Wild Shape Shambling Mound
Final stats: 13(+1) STR, 16(+3) DEX, 17(+3) CON, 11(0) INT, 1+4) WIS, -1) CHA

[img]graemlins/evillaughter2.gif[/img]
Male
Drow (Only)
Evoker
Lawful Evil
Major skills: Alchemy, Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana) and Spellcraft
Minor skills: Bluff, Diplomacy and Intimidate
Major feats: Aegis of Rime, Aqua Mortis, Combat Casting, Scion of Storms, Spell Focus Evocation x2, Spell Penetration x2, Subvocal Casting
Final Stats: 12(+1) STR, 16(+3) DEX, 15(+2) CON, 1

+4) INT, 17(+3) WIS, -1) CHA

[ 10-13-2002, 04:40 AM: Message edited by: Nanobyte ]

Nightowl2 · 10-10-2002, 12:05 PM

That setup looks pretty good. Why not give it a try? Do keep in mind that your Evoker won't be able to learn any of the Powerword spells, as they all belong to the Conjuration school. Monster Summoning is out, too, as well as all the charm-related spells.

Nightowl2

Nanobyte · 10-10-2002, 07:21 PM

Conjuration is a big thing with druids. Besides, some of the best spells are evocation spells (i.e. fireball, melf's minute meteors) Also, any school can learn the Symbol spells, and if I'm not mistaken those are better than the Powerword spells.

Nanobyte · 10-10-2002, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Iron Spike:
Well ive found that what feels balanced for 1 person may not be for another, just try it till you find what you like quit relying on other people to critic what you feel like doing!!!

I've never played any of the Icewind Dale games, so I'm new this uber combat-type game; I've played all of the BG series, so I have a tendency to create parties based on the RP factor alone. I am asking for criticism because I have been UNSUCCESSFUL with ALL of my previous parties. Besides, there is nothing wrong with asking for help, that is what this forum is here for.

MasterPooBaa · 10-10-2002, 10:31 PM

Considering that most of your parties fail, maybe you should consider changing tactics?

10-09-2002, 05:52 AM	#12
Meriadoc Brandybuck Manshoon Join Date: October 11, 2001 Location: The Shire Age: 46 Posts: 180	well my cents: my party: Eowen, lawful evil, thiefling, figher(4 levels thief) (spokesman) Gothmog, neural good, half orc barbarian Dain II Ironfoot, lawful neutral, fighter dswarf Meriadoc Brandybuck, chaotic good, ghostwise rogue Galadriel, chaotic good, human battleguard Gandalf the Grey, lawful good, human wizard and even i die uncountable times ... 1st only one fighter - that can be troublesome ... u maybe don't lack on offensive powers - u lack on tanks (hp) u will meet opponents dealing massive damage 2nd use magical device is far less powerful than in neverwinter it looks like that it only helps using wands ... 3rd the extra turning feats arn't that useable u don't meet real undead hordes ... __________________ no i\'m not a multiple class character<br /><br />i\'m just schizophrenic

10-09-2002, 11:28 PM	#16
Nanobyte Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: NC Age: 38 Posts: 2,890	Ok, Ok. I went to Sorcerer's Place and checked on the quest list, and I've decided that evil is not the way I want to go. So now I REALLY need some input. This is the sketch of my party Will improve as I decide on specifics Again, no particular order: [img]graemlins/starhappy.gif[/img] Female Aasimar Silverstar of Selune Neutral Good Major skills: Concentration and Spellcraft Minor skills: Diplomacy Major feats: Combat Casting, Courteous Magocracy, Discipline, Exotic Weapon Bastard Sword x2, Expertise, Extra Turning x2, Heretic's Bane, Spell Penetration x2 Final stats: 13(+1) STR, 14(+2) DEX, 15(+2) CON, 12(+1) INT, 1+4) WIS, 14(+2) CHA [img]graemlins/shooter04.gif[/img] Male Strongheart Halfling Fighter Lawful Neutral Major skills: Search Minor skills: Concentration x4 Major feats: Cleave x2, Martial Weapon Large Sword x2, Maximized Attack, Power Attack, Simple Weapon Short Blade x2, Strong Back, Stunning Attack, Weapon Finesse Final stats: 16(+3) STR, 17(+3) DEX, 15(+2) CON, 12(+1) INT, 13(+1) WIS, 10(0) CHA [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] Female Human Rogue Chaotic Good Major skills: Bluff, Diplomacy, Disable Device, Hide, Intimidate, Move Silently, Open Lock, Pick Pocket, Search and Use Magic Device Major feats: Arterial Strike, Blind-Fight, Crippling Strike, Dirty Fighting, Dodge, Hamstring, Improved Evasion, Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes, Luck of Heroes, Mercantile Background, Slippery Mind Final stats: 13(+1) STR, 1+4) DEX, 14(+1) CON, 15(+2) INT, 10(0) WIS, 13(+1) CHA [img]graemlins/angelwings.gif[/img] Male Gold Dwarf Paladin of Helm Lawful Good Major skills: Diplomacy Minor skills: Concentration and Spellcraft Major feats: Discipline, Extra Smiting x2, Great Fortitude, Heretic's Bane, Heroic Inspiration, Iron Will, Martial Weapon Axe, Weapon Finesse Final stats: 14(+2) STR, 12(+1) DEX, 15(+2) CON, 10(0) INT, 15(+2) WIS, 17(+3) CHA [img]graemlins/kittynow.gif[/img] Female Wild Elf Druid True Neutral Major skills: Animal Empathy, Spellcraft and Wilderness Lore Minor skills: Concentration Major feats: Combat Casting, Dash, Extra Wild Shape x2, Forester, Lightning Reflexes, Spell Focus Transmutation x2, Wild Shape Boring Beetle, Wild Shape Panther, Wild Shape Shambling Mound Final stats: 13(+1) STR, 16(+3) DEX, 17(+3) CON, 11(0) INT, 1+4) WIS, -1) CHA [img]graemlins/evillaughter2.gif[/img] Male Drow (Only) Evoker Lawful Evil Major skills: Alchemy, Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana) and Spellcraft Minor skills: Bluff, Diplomacy and Intimidate Major feats: Aegis of Rime, Aqua Mortis, Combat Casting, Scion of Storms, Spell Focus Evocation x2, Spell Penetration x2, Subvocal Casting Final Stats: 12(+1) STR, 16(+3) DEX, 15(+2) CON, 1+4) INT, 17(+3) WIS, -1) CHA [ 10-13-2002, 04:40 AM: Message edited by: Nanobyte ]

10-10-2002, 10:31 PM	#20
MasterPooBaa Zhentarim Guard Join Date: April 15, 2002 Location: OZ! Age: 48 Posts: 332	Considering that most of your parties fail, maybe you should consider changing tactics? __________________ Today is a good day for SOMEONE ELSE to die!!!!!

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10-09-2002, 12:22 AM	#11
Nanobyte Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: NC Age: 38 Posts: 2,890	Alright, here is what I did. Firstly, I lowered the difficulty level from Core Rules to Easy; if I want to get any farther than chapter 1, this is the only way. I've also reduced my party by 2 members. My party: Ingha Drow Monk of the Dark Moon Lawful Evil Major skills: Concentration, Hide, and Move Silently Major feats: Blind-fight, Dash, Discipline, Dodge, Great Fortitude, Improved Critical, Improved Initiative, Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes, Strong Back Relation: No relation to Aevyk and Uldwar, a completely different house, he is sort of an envoy of the Drow, leader Aevyk Drow Demarch of Mask Neutral Evil Major skills: Concentration and Spellcraft Minor skills: Hide and Move Silently Major Feats: Combat Casting, Courteous Magocracy, Discipline, Extra Turning x3, Heretic's Bane, Improved Turning, Spell Penetration x2 Relation: She is the sister of Uldwar, relatively good fighter, she is usually the one to demand payment, also had a cool convo with the weeping woman.. Spell repertoire: Minor Healing x2, Bane, Moderate Healing, Hold Person Bonus spells: Sleep and Blur Uldwar Drow Evoker Lawful Evil Major skills: Alchemy, Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), and Spellcraft Major feats: Aegis of Rime, Aqua Mortis, Combat Casting, Scion of Storms, Spell Focus Evocation x2, Spell Penetration x2, Subvocal Casting Relation: Brother of Aevyk, base arcane magic, intense evocation spells Spell repertoire: Aganazzar's Scorcher x3, Burning Hands x2, Ice Dagger, Magic Missle, Chill Touch Before you say anything, don't go lecturing me on the x2 level penalty, because I'm aware of that. So far, I have been extremely successful, also considering this is easy now..

10-09-2002, 11:41 AM	#13
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	Well, I found extra turning was real handy in Kuldahar, and even in the Fell Woods. Improved Turning, however, I consider a waste; the extra two hit dice is worth very little. And I'm puzzled why Nanobyte wants those short parties first time through. But to each his or her own. Nightowl2

10-09-2002, 04:04 PM	#14
Nanobyte Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: NC Age: 38 Posts: 2,890	It's just a thing I have for 6-person parties, can't really stand em. I'll take 5, but 6 is too many. Besides, I've lowered the difficulty from Core Rules to Easy, so I should manage my way through the game with ease. Besides, someone, Ishanda I think, said they made it through with just a monk. Don't worry, be happy

10-09-2002, 04:10 PM	#15
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	Mmmm...well, when I looked at the "easy" setting, it said combat was normal, but wizards would automatically write spells to their books without needing a spellcraft check. Possibly you want "very easy", where monsters do half damage. Anyway, good luck with whatever group you end up using. Nightowl2

10-10-2002, 12:05 PM	#17
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	That setup looks pretty good. Why not give it a try? Do keep in mind that your Evoker won't be able to learn any of the Powerword spells, as they all belong to the Conjuration school. Monster Summoning is out, too, as well as all the charm-related spells. Nightowl2

10-10-2002, 07:21 PM	#18
Nanobyte Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: NC Age: 38 Posts: 2,890	Conjuration is a big thing with druids. Besides, some of the best spells are evocation spells (i.e. fireball, melf's minute meteors) Also, any school can learn the Symbol spells, and if I'm not mistaken those are better than the Powerword spells.

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