09-09-2004, 11:25 PM | #111 |
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My friend Trevor did that, Dave...he was eating chicken, and chewed up his cheek, and wasn't able to open his mouth properly for three days...It's an unpleasant situation.
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09-09-2004, 11:29 PM | #112 |
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But a good way to lose weight I suppose... heh [img]smile.gif[/img]
Im hoping the numbness goes away quicksmart, its lunch time dammit. And Geoff and Karens famous Sandwich shop closes in 30 mins... ARRRGH! |
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09-10-2004, 04:43 PM | #114 |
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Touche, LK. As for my intro thread, I have found from past experiences that it is easier for me say that im gay at the very beginning rather than it coming up later. I know you may or not agree with this, but, in my defense, the reason is that people judge me straight away rather than get to know me, like me, then once they find out they choose not to talk to me any longer. This way I find that those that wish to talk to me in the first place do not stop talking to me over trivial things like sexuality. And those that dont associate with gays and lesbians stay away, and I dont have to deal with the anguish of not being accepted by those whom I once considered friends. Does that make sense?
As for wearing my personal life on my sleeve... I dont see how telling you my sexual preference is doing that at all... It is just another description of me, nothing more. I would relate wearing my personal life on my sleeve by telling everyone (if I was a hetero) about that "girl that i nailed last week", etc etc. Why is it not the same for gays? Unless, the quote you were referring to is not the one you mean about too much info sharing. It is an issue because some people MAKE it an issue. Ive had cases where i havent said it straight up, and then later on it has come up and I have been labelled a "liar". For what reason I dont know, but meh, that is why. My intentions are no more obvious or discreet than anyone elses, are they? Sorry if this doesnt make sense or if it repeats itself... lack of sleep is detrimental to sane posting. |
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09-11-2004, 02:34 AM | #116 |
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I dont think its wise if I reply, it will look even more defensive and I dont want that. Sorry if I have put anyone else off. It was never my intention. I feel like a big fat poo right now. But meh, what can you do? Sorry, ill tone it all right down.
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Nobody asks questions here, nobody cares whether you are straight, gay, married, single, young, old, etc... So why make such an issue out of it? We here at IW wouldn't have.
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**Now switching from conversational mode to "soapbox."** I saw nothing strange about Dave stating his "raging homosexuality" in his opening post. Considering the nature of the thread, which was an invitation to let people know who you are, it was quite appropriate. It was also open and honest, and I respect his courage; it's also a credit to the forum that someone feels comfortable enough to say something so personal. I didn't feel like it put me on the defensive or put me off, whatever his motives. I interpreted the statement as (I believe) it was intended; to tell us of an integral part of who he is, much like others have said they are students or parents. Also take into account the nature of this type of communication. All we have are words on a screen. While in "conversation", we don't have any visual cues. Thus, no one can really tell what makes another person uncomfortable. In that sense, it's good for Dave, or anyone else with certain sensitivities, to give a hint right out. It acts as a heads-up, and people are less likely to give offense accidentally. If it is defensive, so what? I myself (usually in the CE forum) am pretty forthright about what bothers me and about what my stance is. Most of that is trying to convince other people with logic, clarify the issue, or offer another perspective; however, it also serves to give others an idea of what may offend me - in that sense some of my posts have been somewhat defensive. Gays often face the same type of challenges in society as ethnic minorities; hostility or intolerance that may be based on a personal characteristic (one that I believe cannot be changed, Michael Jackson notwithstanding), not on the person himself/herself. One way to deal with such potential problems (or one's own perceptions or psychological hangups) is to be proud and open about who and what one is. So in the context of this subject and this thread, Dave, I certainly did not find your declaration offensive or off-putting in any way. Even if we met face-to-face and you said it right out, I might think it a little odd, but nothing more. It's not a big deal to me, and I definitely understand your stated reasons for doing so. I don't feel you have to "tone down" anything you've posted to date. You and everybody else have the right to post whatever and however you want to, subject only to the discretion of the mods, according to the terms of posting. Edit: because I can't type and mentally grammar-check at the same time. And because I wanted to address Animal's post. Don't forget that Dave hasn't been here that long. He doesn't know how exactly we will react, and he wants to be accepted for who he is; and if there is any rejection based on his sexual preferences (not that I believe there has been yet or ever will be), it's better that it happen at the beginning when he's mentally prepared for it and hasn't made any "friends" yet that might turn on him- that's the reason why it's an issue now. [ 09-11-2004, 03:46 AM: Message edited by: Aerich ]
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Aerich was also correct when he said that I dont really know anyone here, and how they would take my sexuality. Its hard to speak for a whole community when saying "We here at IW wouldn't have (made it an issue)", youd be very suprised. When you know parents that have said to their homosexual sons and daughters "it would be easier for us to deal with if you had terminal cancer than for you to tell us you were gay", I find it equally and easily feasible for strangers to take the same horrible stance. Anyways, Sorry this is such an uber long post... Its just there was a lot of things I wanted to address. And I would just like to say thankyou Aerich, because you have made this whole thread a lot more comfortable once again. Your definately ok in my books edit, just fixing up long post [img]tongue.gif[/img] [ 09-11-2004, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Dave_the_quack ] |
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I could write a lengthy reply of my own but Aerich has put it so unbelievably well that I can simply say: I agree with everything he said.
Stop making a big issue of this, already, why don't we? In the beginning the inquiries came across as merely interested and curious, but now they're leaning towards deliberate misunderstanding or misinterpretation with a hint of condemnation (not saying people condemn the homosexuality, mind, just the fact that Dave *dares* to mention it at an early stage). There is nothing strange or in-your-face or illogical about stating your sexual preferences in a topic that is all about getting people to know each other better. Dave has had actual experience of people's reactions towards his preference, so I think he knows best whether to be upfront about it or not to mention it at the start. Hmm, this turned out lengthier than strictly necessary... I'll shut up now.
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