Sex Before Marriage - Page 4

AzureWolf · 02-01-2002, 09:24 PM

I personally think that sex before marrige is a natural part of life...a lot of people dont even get married! If someone wants to do it then go ahead its not the end of the world. It CAN cause problems if not done in a sensible manner ie no protection.
No offence Larry but I dont know ANYONE in r/l who has not had sex before marrige. If they want to its their choice.

Larry_OHF · 02-01-2002, 10:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by AzureWolf:
I personally think that sex before marrige is a natural part of life...a lot of people dont even get married! If someone wants to do it then go ahead its not the end of the world. It CAN cause problems if not done in a sensible manner ie no protection.
No offence Larry but I dont know ANYONE in r/l who has not had sex before marrige. If they want to its their choice.

You know one now

...and I can name many more of my friends that share the same pride. It all depends on your circle of friends....

Cerek the Barbaric · 02-01-2002, 11:18 PM

Larry,

Cerek's here to give you a little Barbarian Back-up (not that you need it).
The Bible does indeed say that a man should cleave to one woman and should not "put her out except for fornication" (if she cheats on you). It also says that "if a man look upon another woman with lust in his heart, then he has committed adultery" (paraphrased).
I can't find exact text, but the Bible and Christian faith both believe that a man and woman should save themselves for marriage. I'll be honost and admit that I didn't, but that's the beauty of being a Christainl......we aren't peerfect, just Forgiven.

And AFA Christians not being tolerant, I suggest you read the Religion thread. I held a very civil discussion with Garnet (a Wiccan) and fable (a pagan). Their beliefs come nowhere close to mine, but we were still able to discuss our ideological differences in a civilized manner.

Calling the Bible a "2000 year old novel" that "contradicts itself in every statement" is NOT being civil nor respectful - whether it is said in jest or not.

Neb (and others), what would you say if I called the Wiccan's Book of Worship (sorry, but I don't know the proper name for it) a manual for demon worship? Would you tell fable or Garnet to lighten up if they took offense?
There seems to be a real double standard when it comes to Christianity. It's perfectly OK for anybody to criticize our religion or the Bible (there just expressing an opinion), but it's NOT OK for us to say "hey, I don't appreciate you making such disparaging remarks about my religion".
Like Magik(?) said, a LOT of people DO base their life and actions on the teachings found in the Bible. If you don't, that's your choice and I respect it...all I ask is that you and everyone else show us the same respect.

Vaskez · 02-01-2002, 11:35 PM

Good post there Cerek.

Tarox · 02-01-2002, 11:42 PM

As always the threads at this forum involving Religion tunr into a heated argument

Many of the worlds problems are because of this thing called Religion
Also lots of wars and battles and people have died over the history of man because of Religion

Religion is perhaps the real evil in the world because it divides people so much....everyone has their imaginary god of deity or whatever they think is real and for some reason this often leads to fighting with non believers....from arguments and sarcastic remarks all the way upto full scale war.

I for one don't know the answer to the original post, I seem to recall being taught that it was said both man and woman must remain pure untill they are married......

Cerek the Barbaric · 02-02-2002, 12:10 AM

Tarox, old boy,

I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree with you. I don't feel this thread has degenerated into a "heated argument" at all.
Some of the earlier posts said some things I considered pretty disrespectful of my religion, but neither I nor Larry responded in an argumentative manner (IMHO).

My Response may have been a bit more blunt than Larry's, but I'm just pointing out that my POV is as valid as the next persons - and I expect other members to show me the same courtesy and respect I extend to them.

Also, other than a brief "contest of wills" between fable and Yorick, the actual "Religion" thread remained very civil. And even that disagreement didn't get too far out of hand.

And there is a third "religon-based" thread that I participated in (the name of which escapes me, but look on Page 2-3 and you should find it easily enough)that remained very civil throughout.

Larry_OHF · 02-02-2002, 12:22 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Tarox:
As always the threads at this forum involving Religion turn into a heated argument

This is no where near a heated argument.

quote:

Many of the worlds problems are because of this thing called Religion
Also lots of wars and battles and people have died over the history of man because of Religion

Religion is perhaps the real evil in the world because it divides people so much....everyone has their imaginary god of deity or whatever they think is real and for some reason this often leads to fighting with non believers....from arguments and sarcastic remarks all the way upto full scale war.

That assumption is incorrect. Religion in of itself is not evil. How it is used is. Just like the internet. I can use it for good intent or bad intent. I can use a gun for protection or aggression. I can use my knowledge to help or to hurt. What I do with religion is what I am. Good or evil. If I corrupt religion's name by using it to promote hatred and wars...my actions condemn my own name and my social status, but not the religion that I carried with me. It is not the fault of religion that men want to conquer. It is man's inconquerable spirit that wants to conquer.

The KKK was an evil bunch of white boys running around killing the blacks, and were using the Bible to prove thier point. I read those same verses...and did not see it that way. They were merely using the Bible to hide behind, while they themsleves may or may not have understood the very words that they were using against the black race.

Religion defines a person. Religion is what a person is.
If I told you that I was of one particular sect or another...you would know what values I hold dear, what activities I perform or do not perform, and you would know whether or not you and I could share similar interests.

Example: I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly known by many as the Mormons. From that, you know that I do not smoke and I do not drink, as doing so would have me shunned by even my own wife. I can tell you that I hold the position of Executive Secretary for my bishop, and now you know that I keep my covenants that I have made to live a certain lifestyle, as a person that does not do what they are taught to do would not be in positions of authority. You would then, of course, not ask me over for Sunday-night football and would I bring the drinks, as you know that I would not condone to such.
If I knew that you were a Jehova's Witness, I would not try to sell you a flag of your country, as you would not believe in putting faith and attention to a supposed "vain image". Yet, you and I need not kill one another over this...because you are who you are and I am who I am, and both of us can live happy lives, as next door neighbors.

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]

Neb · 02-02-2002, 04:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric:
Neb (and others), what would you say if I called the Wiccan's Book of Worship (sorry, but I don't know the proper name for it) a manual for demon worship? Would you tell fable or Garnet to lighten up if they took offense?
There seems to be a real double standard when it comes to Christianity. It's perfectly OK for anybody to criticize our religion or the Bible (there just expressing an opinion), but it's NOT OK for us to say "hey, I don't appreciate you making such disparaging remarks about my religion".
Like Magik(?) said, a LOT of people DO base their life and actions on the teachings found in the Bible. If you don't, that's your choice and I respect it...all I ask is that you and everyone else show us the same respect.

Well, I'd know that it wasn't true, perhaps tell them shortly that wiccans do not worship satan and then just leave it at that, I can usually ignore such things.

I might attempt to tell people the truth if they're misinformed like that, but I doubt I'd ever get angry at them.

And yes, if Garnet or Fable started taking it far too seriously and getting much too offended I might tell them to lighten up.

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Neb ]

Melusine · 02-02-2002, 05:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Neb:

Well, I'd know that it wasn't true, perhaps tell them shortly that wiccans do not worship satan and then just leave it at that, I can usually ignore such things.

I might attempt to tell people the truth if they're misinformed like that, but I doubt I'd ever get angry at them.

And yes, if Garnet or Fable started taking it far too seriously and getting much too offended I might tell them to lighten up.

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Neb ]

Good grief Neb, you know perfectly well what he meant.
Frankly I am saddened that so many people seem to have lost all respect for each other here. I can understand where Saz's thread about rudeness is coming from. Is it really that difficult to swallow your self-righteousness just once and accept that while you have every right to express an opinion, it's polite and respectful to stop pushing a point if you notice people are hurt by it??
This goes for people on BOTH sides, I'm not ranting at you personally, Neb.
But I really fail to see why some people feel such an urge to spout and KEEP spouting opinions that are hurtful to other people.

02-02-2002, 07:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Larry_OHF:

The KKK was an evil bunch of white boys running around killing the blacks, and were using the Bible to prove thier point. I read those same verses...and did not see it that way. They were merely using the Bible to hide behind, while they themsleves may or may not have understood the very words that they were using against the black race.
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Not argueing again Larry because you are most correct...except I think it only right to explain that the KKK also had a beef with Jews and catholics [img]smile.gif[/img] I being a catholic by birth found that they had an equal opportunity for hate message..they hated/hate everyone not like them! Just thought Id expand/expound on that bit...

02-01-2002, 10:40 PM	#32
Larry_OHF Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Midlands, South Carolina Age: 48 Posts: 14,759	quote: Originally posted by AzureWolf: I personally think that sex before marrige is a natural part of life...a lot of people dont even get married! If someone wants to do it then go ahead its not the end of the world. It CAN cause problems if not done in a sensible manner ie no protection. No offence Larry but I dont know ANYONE in r/l who has not had sex before marrige. If they want to its their choice. You know one now ...and I can name many more of my friends that share the same pride. It all depends on your circle of friends....

02-01-2002, 11:18 PM	#33
Cerek the Barbaric Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: October 29, 2001 Location: North Carolina Age: 61 Posts: 3,257	Larry, Cerek's here to give you a little Barbarian Back-up (not that you need it). The Bible does indeed say that a man should cleave to one woman and should not "put her out except for fornication" (if she cheats on you). It also says that "if a man look upon another woman with lust in his heart, then he has committed adultery" (paraphrased). I can't find exact text, but the Bible and Christian faith both believe that a man and woman should save themselves for marriage. I'll be honost and admit that I didn't, but that's the beauty of being a Christainl......we aren't peerfect, just Forgiven. And AFA Christians not being tolerant, I suggest you read the Religion thread. I held a very civil discussion with Garnet (a Wiccan) and fable (a pagan). Their beliefs come nowhere close to mine, but we were still able to discuss our ideological differences in a civilized manner. Calling the Bible a "2000 year old novel" that "contradicts itself in every statement" is NOT being civil nor respectful - whether it is said in jest or not. Neb (and others), what would you say if I called the Wiccan's Book of Worship (sorry, but I don't know the proper name for it) a manual for demon worship? Would you tell fable or Garnet to lighten up if they took offense? There seems to be a real double standard when it comes to Christianity. It's perfectly OK for anybody to criticize our religion or the Bible (there just expressing an opinion), but it's NOT OK for us to say "hey, I don't appreciate you making such disparaging remarks about my religion". Like Magik(?) said, a LOT of people DO base their life and actions on the teachings found in the Bible. If you don't, that's your choice and I respect it...all I ask is that you and everyone else show us the same respect. __________________ [img]\"http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/cerek/cerektsrsig.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Cerek the Calmth

02-01-2002, 11:35 PM	#34
Vaskez Takhisis Follower Join Date: April 30, 2001 Location: szép Magyarország (well not right now) Posts: 5,089	Good post there Cerek. __________________ Too set in his ways to ever relate If he could set that aside, there'd be heaven to pay But weathered and aged, time swept him to grave Love conquers all? Damn, I'd say that area's gray

02-01-2002, 11:42 PM	#35
Tarox Manshoon Join Date: November 2, 2001 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 171	As always the threads at this forum involving Religion tunr into a heated argument Many of the worlds problems are because of this thing called Religion Also lots of wars and battles and people have died over the history of man because of Religion Religion is perhaps the real evil in the world because it divides people so much....everyone has their imaginary god of deity or whatever they think is real and for some reason this often leads to fighting with non believers....from arguments and sarcastic remarks all the way upto full scale war. I for one don't know the answer to the original post, I seem to recall being taught that it was said both man and woman must remain pure untill they are married...... __________________ <IMG SRC=\"http://tarox.homestead.com/files/TaroxE.jpg\">

02-02-2002, 12:10 AM	#36
Cerek the Barbaric Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: October 29, 2001 Location: North Carolina Age: 61 Posts: 3,257	Tarox, old boy, I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree with you. I don't feel this thread has degenerated into a "heated argument" at all. Some of the earlier posts said some things I considered pretty disrespectful of my religion, but neither I nor Larry responded in an argumentative manner (IMHO). My Response may have been a bit more blunt than Larry's, but I'm just pointing out that my POV is as valid as the next persons - and I expect other members to show me the same courtesy and respect I extend to them. Also, other than a brief "contest of wills" between fable and Yorick, the actual "Religion" thread remained very civil. And even that disagreement didn't get too far out of hand. And there is a third "religon-based" thread that I participated in (the name of which escapes me, but look on Page 2-3 and you should find it easily enough)that remained very civil throughout. __________________ [img]\"http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/cerek/cerektsrsig.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Cerek the Calmth

02-01-2002, 09:24 PM	#31
AzureWolf 20th Level Warrior Join Date: May 3, 2001 Location: . Age: 40 Posts: 2,762	I personally think that sex before marrige is a natural part of life...a lot of people dont even get married! If someone wants to do it then go ahead its not the end of the world. It CAN cause problems if not done in a sensible manner ie no protection. No offence Larry but I dont know ANYONE in r/l who has not had sex before marrige. If they want to its their choice.

02-02-2002, 12:22 AM	#37
Larry_OHF Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Midlands, South Carolina Age: 48 Posts: 14,759	quote: Originally posted by Tarox: As always the threads at this forum involving Religion turn into a heated argument This is no where near a heated argument. quote: Many of the worlds problems are because of this thing called Religion Also lots of wars and battles and people have died over the history of man because of Religion Religion is perhaps the real evil in the world because it divides people so much....everyone has their imaginary god of deity or whatever they think is real and for some reason this often leads to fighting with non believers....from arguments and sarcastic remarks all the way upto full scale war. That assumption is incorrect. Religion in of itself is not evil. How it is used is. Just like the internet. I can use it for good intent or bad intent. I can use a gun for protection or aggression. I can use my knowledge to help or to hurt. What I do with religion is what I am. Good or evil. If I corrupt religion's name by using it to promote hatred and wars...my actions condemn my own name and my social status, but not the religion that I carried with me. It is not the fault of religion that men want to conquer. It is man's inconquerable spirit that wants to conquer. The KKK was an evil bunch of white boys running around killing the blacks, and were using the Bible to prove thier point. I read those same verses...and did not see it that way. They were merely using the Bible to hide behind, while they themsleves may or may not have understood the very words that they were using against the black race. Religion defines a person. Religion is what a person is. If I told you that I was of one particular sect or another...you would know what values I hold dear, what activities I perform or do not perform, and you would know whether or not you and I could share similar interests. Example: I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly known by many as the Mormons. From that, you know that I do not smoke and I do not drink, as doing so would have me shunned by even my own wife. I can tell you that I hold the position of Executive Secretary for my bishop, and now you know that I keep my covenants that I have made to live a certain lifestyle, as a person that does not do what they are taught to do would not be in positions of authority. You would then, of course, not ask me over for Sunday-night football and would I bring the drinks, as you know that I would not condone to such. If I knew that you were a Jehova's Witness, I would not try to sell you a flag of your country, as you would not believe in putting faith and attention to a supposed "vain image". Yet, you and I need not kill one another over this...because you are who you are and I am who I am, and both of us can live happy lives, as next door neighbors. [ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]

02-02-2002, 04:57 AM	#38
Neb Account deleted by Request Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: . Age: 38 Posts: 8,802	quote: Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: Neb (and others), what would you say if I called the Wiccan's Book of Worship (sorry, but I don't know the proper name for it) a manual for demon worship? Would you tell fable or Garnet to lighten up if they took offense? There seems to be a real double standard when it comes to Christianity. It's perfectly OK for anybody to criticize our religion or the Bible (there just expressing an opinion), but it's NOT OK for us to say "hey, I don't appreciate you making such disparaging remarks about my religion". Like Magik(?) said, a LOT of people DO base their life and actions on the teachings found in the Bible. If you don't, that's your choice and I respect it...all I ask is that you and everyone else show us the same respect. Well, I'd know that it wasn't true, perhaps tell them shortly that wiccans do not worship satan and then just leave it at that, I can usually ignore such things. I might attempt to tell people the truth if they're misinformed like that, but I doubt I'd ever get angry at them. And yes, if Garnet or Fable started taking it far too seriously and getting much too offended I might tell them to lighten up. [ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Neb ]

02-02-2002, 05:05 AM	#39
Melusine Dracolisk Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 43 Posts: 6,541	quote: Originally posted by Neb: Well, I'd know that it wasn't true, perhaps tell them shortly that wiccans do not worship satan and then just leave it at that, I can usually ignore such things. I might attempt to tell people the truth if they're misinformed like that, but I doubt I'd ever get angry at them. And yes, if Garnet or Fable started taking it far too seriously and getting much too offended I might tell them to lighten up. [ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Neb ] Good grief Neb, you know perfectly well what he meant. Frankly I am saddened that so many people seem to have lost all respect for each other here. I can understand where Saz's thread about rudeness is coming from. Is it really that difficult to swallow your self-righteousness just once and accept that while you have every right to express an opinion, it's polite and respectful to stop pushing a point if you notice people are hurt by it?? This goes for people on BOTH sides, I'm not ranting at you personally, Neb. But I really fail to see why some people feel such an urge to spout and KEEP spouting opinions that are hurtful to other people. __________________ [img]\"hosted/melusine.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Your voice is ambrosia

02-02-2002, 07:41 PM	#40
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by Larry_OHF: The KKK was an evil bunch of white boys running around killing the blacks, and were using the Bible to prove thier point. I read those same verses...and did not see it that way. They were merely using the Bible to hide behind, while they themsleves may or may not have understood the very words that they were using against the black race. ] Not argueing again Larry because you are most correct...except I think it only right to explain that the KKK also had a beef with Jews and catholics [img]smile.gif[/img] I being a catholic by birth found that they had an equal opportunity for hate message..they hated/hate everyone not like them! Just thought Id expand/expound on that bit...

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