10-28-2002, 07:47 PM | #31 |
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I'm not bashing anyone or anything (apart from when I give Johnny the occasional *smack* )
There's no need to "defend" your country and way of life because I am not "attacking" it as such. I am merely pointing out the feeling I get from some americans. And I am not specifically refering to members of this board. I cried with you on Sept 12th last year, I was in shock with you on Sept 12th last year and I am all for bringing those responsible to justice and I hope beyond hope that the events of Sept 11th never happen again. It doesn't deserve to happen to any country; rich, poor, developed, undeveloped. Again, I never meant to upset you and I'm sorry for that. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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10-28-2002, 07:48 PM | #32 |
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LOL, yes Charean, you have to explain why so many people who don't have an ego thing in this believe, as I do, that we need to go and take Saddam out.
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10-28-2002, 09:10 PM | #33 | |
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Ok, explain. How do we scoff at other nations? So, you are then understandably offended, angry, and upset - but NOT (if you have a brain) *surprised* - when they "burn down your house and sleep with your daughter." Wouldn't you have been better off helping them out to begin with, or at least not scoffing at them? Heh, I was going to use the following statment in another part of the post but it seems to fit here better. Cut through the metaphores. The burning down the house statment could be compaired to Sept 11th no? Ok, now whats strange is, you say wouldnt it have been better if we helped in the begining, well, we did just that, he helped Afghanastan against the Soviets in 1980, and then we get branded as setting up the Taliban. Whats even more strange (well maybe not) is that there was a Democrate in office at the time. Look - I am sure that not every part of my above extended metaphor applies to US international relations, but you started the metaphor thing so don't hold it against me if I got creative. Not holding you against it at all. [EDIT] I didn't read your post (immediately above) before I posted this, so I think the issue has already been sufficiently addressed. And, I think we see eye-to-eye on it. [img]graemlins/cheers.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]
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10-29-2002, 07:26 AM | #34 |
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Just a quick point Iron Ranger (and others, of course):
You admit that people are mad at the USA, you also admit that this anger is a large cause of the actual and potential terrorist attacks on America. Without going too much into the issue of whether or not the anger in question is justified (been there, done that... got the scars...) isn't it simply rational to want to care about the problem? If you ignore the causes of international terrorism and just go around bombing people then, I hate to say it, its quite likely to happen again. It's always been my position that America didn't "deserve" the Sept 11th attacks, but maybe I think precisely this attitude is why people didn't see them coming. Ignoring this feeling, right or wrong, is a very dangerous course of action.
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10-29-2002, 09:04 AM | #35 | |
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And then, what happens when we look out at the rest of the neighborhood and see that some people are in less nice houses, or, are being forced by some nutjob to live 20 to a room with little food and no freedom, then we are forced, by simple compassion if nothing else, to react and try to help those persons? *WE* are the ones who are derided. *WE* are the ones accused of being 'mean-spirited' or of 'sticking our noses in'. Why is that? To be honest, I still haven't figured that one out yet. *tosses [img]graemlins/twocents.gif[/img] on the table* EDITED: Cause I narfed up the quotes. :S [ 10-29-2002, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: Nachtrafe ]
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10-29-2002, 09:56 AM | #36 | |
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There is something i figured a while back, and when Charean posted this i'd like to post it. The fact that when some entity begins to excel another, the one left behind can either be a sour loser or a good competitor and look forward to the excellent ones [img]smile.gif[/img] Hopelessly this aint the case in this world as people resort to negative remarks and criticism , they only find the glass half empty, maybe this is why the US is bashed too much perhaps, i for one am glad that i'm not biased about anything and sure Charean i dont expect it from people either, but no this has to go on. Surely i might be wrong, but this is not aimed at any board member, it was just an analysis of general human behaviour and for all i know, we have no right to jugde anyone, for we are not perfect in out knowledge and understanding. I'm sorry if it hurts anyone but i will again stress that this is not aimed at any board member, and i am not a US citizen either. |
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10-29-2002, 10:29 AM | #37 | |
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Iron Ranger, I'd reply to your post and try to puzzle out where along the way America went way wrong with the Muslim world, but I think I've decided there's wisdom in just not helping to begin with. Of course, I'm feeling rather like a social darwinist today, and maybe tomorrow I'll be more charitable. I say Malthus was right: We should just let the streets run with sewage in our metaphorical little neighborhood, and at least we'll know the strongest have survived to procreate. [img]tongue.gif[/img] |
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10-29-2002, 10:49 AM | #39 |
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As far as Bush and his reasons for going after Saddam: I am not convinced this is for the good of this country. I haven't seen convincing evidence that he is linked to Bin Laden. I also wonder why something was not done sooner when he didn't comply with UN regs. At this point, going in there on our own will only sow dissent with the rest of the UN. I think that would be a huge mistake. Not only would we have only ourselves to rely on, but Saddam may pull in some allies and we may not be able to beat back all of them. From what the White House says, they only want regime change. I am sure that they can pull that off without going to war. Whatever happened to simple assassinations? That would be a LOT more efficient. (And before I get bashed for being Liberal - I am not. I am a moderate and registered Independent. I do not toe party lines of Anyone.)
As far as us going in to Kuwait: Oddly enough, I was over there. Oil was a factor, but not the main one. As far as most of the military and me were concerned, we were going over there to protect a country that could not defend itself. It was a UN effort and they all went in there to keep Kuwait free of a dictator.
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10-29-2002, 11:14 AM | #40 |
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Funny statement about the house. It may look big and flashy on the outside, but inside it's pretty messy if you ask me. Your "big nice house" needs some cleaning up.
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