What advantages does R/C have over F/C?

uss · 01-03-2005, 09:41 AM

Apart from Stealth, I can't think of any.

Thanks in advance.

Marty4 · 01-03-2005, 10:28 AM

Don't get me started!

1. extra attack if using a 1 handed weapon without a shield
2. stealth (obviously)
3. HoW Rogue's Cowl (I'm only playing my first HoW game, so maybe there is better stuff)
4. Racial enemy
5. For every spell level gained by the cleric, you get all the ranger spells for that level! For example, when you gain lvl 9 cleric, you can cast the lvl 5 spells for both the cleric and ranger. This gives you a HUGE spell selection

There is probably more that I can't think of at this time.

Andyr · 01-03-2005, 11:06 AM

I would agree with Marty - it is a very powerful multiclass.

In addition to the above reasons, it has much higher stat minima than a Fighter-Cleric so you are more likely to get a good roll.

uss · 01-04-2005, 01:06 PM

Mmhh, wow, that's pretty damn good!

I created a C/R as the leader of my party but doubted as to if he's better or not. Thanks!

By the way, does stealth get any better than it initially is? I have it at 15%(*sigh* low Dex) but haven't been gaining any points.

Marty4 · 01-04-2005, 07:12 PM

Er, it should with each ranger level. My current solo C/R has around 95%...

How low is your DEX? I find the C/R VERY easy to roll, and my current guy has 18 in all imprtant stats with 10 INT and 11 CHA.

I failed to mention that, being a ranger, they level up more slowly than a F/C, and they are restricted to human or half elf (you could be a dwarf F/C), though their advantages IMHO make up for that. In a party of six their slow leveling may make them less effective than a F/C (and they shouldn't be your main priest), but in smaller parties or soloing they are golden.

EDIT: Drow warrior! Yay!

[ 01-07-2005, 10:28 PM: Message edited by: Marty4 ]

NobleNick · 01-07-2005, 05:13 PM

Impressive list, Marty4!

I had not thought of leveraging the Druid-like spells with the Cleric's extra spell slots as a distinct advantage, even though I have been benefitting from it with my DC R/C. Excellent observation.

USS, despite the advantages Marty4 cites, I prefer DC F/C if playing the expansions, since you can easily achieve a character with 5 PP in melee weapon, 3 ApR, and lags a straight class Cleric by only 1/2 a CLVL.

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What's a party,
without a song?
Bards ROCK!
Party On!!

Marty4 · 01-07-2005, 10:35 PM

Thanks!

However, at ranger lvl 13 and without a shield, the R/C will have 3.5 ApR! Also, I haven't had HoW long enough to know if there are any noteworthy shields in HoW, but a ranger can equip the Rogue's Cowl for 2 AC, more or less having a shield equipped, which is available early in the game.

NobleNick, does your DC R/C get the ranger spells even past the casting level of the ranger at dual class? What I mean is, if you for example DCed at level 5, would getting to cleric level 7 give you fourth level ranger spells? If so, they are even more powerful than I thought.

I guess a C/R is more of a fun solo or duo type character, while a F/C is better in a team. However, both are bloody good

galdur · 01-09-2005, 06:11 AM

Yes, R/C is very strong. I think that it is stronger class than F/C. The only advantage F/C has is, he can be evil, and thus reach evil cleric spells.

Jerry_Seinfeld · 01-09-2005, 09:17 PM

R/C is definately better than a F/C, for the reasons marty mentioned above.

Dundee Slaytern · 01-09-2005, 09:44 PM

A R/C can only cast Druid spells of his Ranger level. Making the multiclass R/C and the F/C a better choice than the dualclassed R->C.

01-03-2005, 11:06 AM	#3
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01-09-2005, 09:17 PM	#9
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01-03-2005, 09:41 AM	#1
uss 20th Level Warrior Join Date: November 16, 2001 Location: Estonia Age: 35 Posts: 2,775	Apart from Stealth, I can't think of any. Thanks in advance.

01-03-2005, 10:28 AM	#2
Marty4 Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 31, 2004 Location: VA Age: 33 Posts: 1,127	Don't get me started! 1. extra attack if using a 1 handed weapon without a shield 2. stealth (obviously) 3. HoW Rogue's Cowl (I'm only playing my first HoW game, so maybe there is better stuff) 4. Racial enemy 5. For every spell level gained by the cleric, you get all the ranger spells for that level! For example, when you gain lvl 9 cleric, you can cast the lvl 5 spells for both the cleric and ranger. This gives you a HUGE spell selection There is probably more that I can't think of at this time.

01-04-2005, 01:06 PM	#4
uss 20th Level Warrior Join Date: November 16, 2001 Location: Estonia Age: 35 Posts: 2,775	Mmhh, wow, that's pretty damn good! I created a C/R as the leader of my party but doubted as to if he's better or not. Thanks! By the way, does stealth get any better than it initially is? I have it at 15%(sigh low Dex) but haven't been gaining any points.

01-04-2005, 07:12 PM	#5
Marty4 Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 31, 2004 Location: VA Age: 33 Posts: 1,127	Er, it should with each ranger level. My current solo C/R has around 95%... How low is your DEX? I find the C/R VERY easy to roll, and my current guy has 18 in all imprtant stats with 10 INT and 11 CHA. I failed to mention that, being a ranger, they level up more slowly than a F/C, and they are restricted to human or half elf (you could be a dwarf F/C), though their advantages IMHO make up for that. In a party of six their slow leveling may make them less effective than a F/C (and they shouldn't be your main priest), but in smaller parties or soloing they are golden. EDIT: Drow warrior! Yay! [ 01-07-2005, 10:28 PM: Message edited by: Marty4 ]

01-07-2005, 05:13 PM	#6
NobleNick Quintesson Join Date: February 5, 2002 Location: Huntsville, AL, USA Age: 63 Posts: 1,045	Impressive list, Marty4! I had not thought of leveraging the Druid-like spells with the Cleric's extra spell slots as a distinct advantage, even though I have been benefitting from it with my DC R/C. Excellent observation. USS, despite the advantages Marty4 cites, I prefer DC F/C if playing the expansions, since you can easily achieve a character with 5 PP in melee weapon, 3 ApR, and lags a straight class Cleric by only 1/2 a CLVL. -------------------- What's a party, without a song? Bards ROCK! Party On!!

01-07-2005, 10:35 PM	#7
Marty4 Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 31, 2004 Location: VA Age: 33 Posts: 1,127	Thanks! However, at ranger lvl 13 and without a shield, the R/C will have 3.5 ApR! Also, I haven't had HoW long enough to know if there are any noteworthy shields in HoW, but a ranger can equip the Rogue's Cowl for 2 AC, more or less having a shield equipped, which is available early in the game. NobleNick, does your DC R/C get the ranger spells even past the casting level of the ranger at dual class? What I mean is, if you for example DCed at level 5, would getting to cleric level 7 give you fourth level ranger spells? If so, they are even more powerful than I thought. I guess a C/R is more of a fun solo or duo type character, while a F/C is better in a team. However, both are bloody good

01-09-2005, 06:11 AM	#8
galdur Dungeon Master Join Date: September 20, 2004 Location: Slovakia Age: 37 Posts: 63	Yes, R/C is very strong. I think that it is stronger class than F/C. The only advantage F/C has is, he can be evil, and thus reach evil cleric spells.

01-09-2005, 09:44 PM	#10
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	A R/C can only cast Druid spells of his Ranger level. Making the multiclass R/C and the F/C a better choice than the dualclassed R->C.

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