Lost civilizations

[K T Ong]

What makes you so sure, Hierophant?

[johnny]

Originally posted by K T Ong: And don't mind me saying it, /)eathkiller; I do think Castro's pretty charismatic-looking. quote: Originally posted by /)eathKiller: As far as civilization more advanced than us: I think that if they existed, we would know about them by now...

Why? [/QUOTE]Radar ?

[K T Ong]

Dunno. Ask /)eathkiller!

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by K T Ong: What makes you so sure, Hierophant?

Basically because there has been an observable pattern in both social institutionalization and technology within the past 5000 years or so, particularly so in the Meditteranean region. The 'advancement' of technology requires in and of itself various sociological steps that must be followed (primarily, alot of spare time to experiment and develope new techniques and tools. Ie; slave ownership and a large workforce). The level of technology currently present within 'Western' culture now is a direct result of industrialization and the proliferation of the bourgeois intelligensia. Nuclear technology was not available to cultures of 5000 (or more) years hence simply due to the low population (you need industrialized farming techniques to create a gigantic population like we have nowadays) and the sparse, uncentralized nature of introverted city-state communal entities at the time. Surviving archaeological evidence gives absolutely no indication whatsoever of an industrialized society anywhere near to the time period we are thinking about (and if ancient clay pots and the foundations of farming shanties survive to this day, then it's safe to assume that gigantic industrial complexes would to).

Oh but wait, silly me. The whole reason that populations were sparse and uncentralized in the Early Bronze Age is because there was a huge nuclear holocaust which wiped out a vast amount of the Meditteranean region and population!

No!
The level of settlement in this period, whilst not indicative of an industrialized culture, is still widespread enough to discount the remotest possibility of a nuclear war (with after-effects such as fallout and radioactive posioning of soil). Remember, Meditteranean society does not just include Greece and Egypt. There were people everywhere.

But how can I be so sure? Well shit, I guess I just can't. But don't treat speculation and fantasy as fact!

***edit*** to correct silly spelling mistakes.

[ 08-24-2002, 05:38 AM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]

[DiabloRex]

Originally posted by Deathbringer: Okay the two cities I was talking about are called 'Sodom' & 'Gomorrah', if your interested.

Hold on a minute here you are saying that the bible uses the names on a sexual behaviour and a disease to name the two cities? [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img]

[Neb]

Originally posted by DiabloRex: quote: Originally posted by Deathbringer: Okay the two cities I was talking about are called 'Sodom' & 'Gomorrah', if your interested.

Hold on a minute here you are saying that the bible uses the names on a sexual behaviour and a disease to name the two cities? [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Or the disease and sexual behaviour are named after them? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[K T Ong]

Originally posted by The Hierophant: But how can I be so sure? Well shit, I guess I just can't. But don't treat speculation and fantasy as fact!

Well, there you go, Hierophant, you ultimately can never be sure, can you?

If we shouldn't treat speculation and fantasy as fact, presumably that will have to include theories as well -- which are ultimately just perhaps a more disciplined form of speculation, though speculation all the same. And what you've posted is basically just... theories, which in your own words we must not equate too hastily with fact. After all, no one ever travelled back 5,000 years in time to see what things were actually like back then. (Same applies for those who imagine that some ancients had lasers and nukes, of course...)

In my ever so humble opinion, the idea that there exist major civilizations of an advanced nature sharing our planet with us is just a fantasy. These speculations are right up there with astrology, telepsychics and teleevangelists.

Im not saying there are no small primitive groups of people hiding in some small crevice somewhere. But atlanteans, lemurians etc and or civilizations sunken or under ground are totaly out of the question. [img]smile.gif[/img] Well that is my opinion...no one else has to share it [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Neb: quote: Originally posted by DiabloRex: quote: Originally posted by Deathbringer: Okay the two cities I was talking about are called 'Sodom' & 'Gomorrah', if your interested.

Hold on a minute here you are saying that the bible uses the names on a sexual behaviour and a disease to name the two cities? [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Or the disease and sexual behaviour are named after them? [img]tongue.gif[/img] [/QUOTE] I think Nebbies has it right this time!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 08-24-2002, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[K T Ong]

Originally posted by MagiK: In my ever so humble opinion, the idea that there exist major civilizations of an advanced nature sharing our planet with us is just a fantasy. These speculations are right up there with astrology, telepsychics and teleevangelists.

What makes you so sure, MagiK?