Visit the Ironworks Gaming Website Email the Webmaster Graphics Library Rules and Regulations Help Support Ironworks Forum with a Donation to Keep us Online - We rely totally on Donations from members Donation goal Meter

Ironworks Gaming Radio

Ironworks Gaming Forum

Go Back   Ironworks Gaming Forum > Ironworks Gaming Forums > General Discussion > General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005)
FAQ Calendar Arcade Today's Posts Search

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-21-2002, 05:24 PM   #31
Timber Loftis
40th Level Warrior
 

Join Date: July 11, 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 11,916
Fair enough. What politicians really do this "whooping" though - isn't it rather suicidal professionally? I mean, none of us like the spineless folks.

As for Gore's spine, I know people from Tenn. who told me they felt that way about him. From my personal experience, I know he kept riding the enviro horse even when it wasn't winning - and that I did respect. But then, I'm one of those who always lists the environment in the top 3 or 4 spots as far as importance is concerned.
__________________
Timber Loftis is offline  
Old 11-21-2002, 05:58 PM   #32
Rokenn
Galvatron
 

Join Date: January 22, 2002
Location: california wine country
Age: 60
Posts: 2,193
Quote:
Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Well, I agree that Al Queda actions are ongoing - and I cite the recent car-bombing by remote control plane that we posted tons about on this very forum.

But, from what I understand, Clinton had an absolute OBSESSION with Osama, and would have done a lot more if he could have gotten away with it. Even with the Cole, the instances of Al Queda action at that time were not of the scale that would have supported the actions I do believe he wanted to take. So, instead, he popped off a few dozen missiles, blew up some buildings, and called it a day. I do remember hearing about one other time when the Clinton folks knew/suspected Osama's location and did nothing - but I think there were just too many other irons in the fire at the time for them to go after what was then an "off-the-radar-screen" guy.
Also remember the few times Clinton tried to take forceful action vs Osama the republican's started shooting that he was doing to divert attention from other troubles, ala 'Wag the Dog'. Just today on Fresh Air, they had an interview with Bob Woodward on his new book 'Bush at War'. It seems that the CIA, under Clinton, had a fairly good network in place in Afganistan keeping tabs on Osama, but they were not authorized to attempt to take him out. This policy was also continued under the Bush Administration, till 9/11.
__________________
“This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have mores. <br />Some people call you the elite. <br />I call you my base.”<br />~ George W. Bush (2000)
Rokenn is offline  
Old 11-21-2002, 06:17 PM   #33
Ronn_Bman
Zartan
 

Join Date: March 11, 2001
Location: North Carolina USA
Age: 57
Posts: 5,177
This post, by Attalus, in our own forum further confirms that the work against Al-Queta continues despite the recent focus on Iraq.

Al-Queta isn't on the back burner for our government, but it is for the media unless, of course, they catch/kill one, then it's a reason to briefly break away from the continuous Iraq coverage/commentary/focus.
__________________
[img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />
Ronn_Bman is offline  
Old 11-21-2002, 06:28 PM   #34
Attalus
Symbol of Bane
 

Join Date: November 26, 2001
Location: Texas
Age: 75
Posts: 8,167
Thanks, Ronn. I haven't taken part in this thread so far because I have absolutely no interest in Gore due to his blatant opportunism, though I fervently hope he is the Dems nominee in '04. But your point is well-taken. The media seems to think that we only have one or two guys, and if they are paying attention to Saddam, they must be neglecting Al-Qaida, though I am pretty sure that every member of the armed services and intelligence community would trade his or her chance at Paradise to nail Bin Laden. Their name would live forever.
__________________
Even Heroes sometimes fail...
Attalus is offline  
Old 11-21-2002, 09:45 PM   #35
MagiK
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally posted by Rokenn:
quote:
Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Well, I agree that Al Queda actions are ongoing - and I cite the recent car-bombing by remote control plane that we posted tons about on this very forum.

But, from what I understand, Clinton had an absolute OBSESSION with Osama, and would have done a lot more if he could have gotten away with it. Even with the Cole, the instances of Al Queda action at that time were not of the scale that would have supported the actions I do believe he wanted to take. So, instead, he popped off a few dozen missiles, blew up some buildings, and called it a day. I do remember hearing about one other time when the Clinton folks knew/suspected Osama's location and did nothing - but I think there were just too many other irons in the fire at the time for them to go after what was then an "off-the-radar-screen" guy.
Also remember the few times Clinton tried to take forceful action vs Osama the republican's started shooting that he was doing to divert attention from other troubles, ala 'Wag the Dog'. Just today on Fresh Air, they had an interview with Bob Woodward on his new book 'Bush at War'. It seems that the CIA, under Clinton, had a fairly good network in place in Afganistan keeping tabs on Osama, but they were not authorized to attempt to take him out. This policy was also continued under the Bush Administration, till 9/11.[/QUOTE]I seem to recall that the Republicans/Defense Department types were PO'd that after ignoring their screams for action for months chose to attack an asprin factory the the Joint Chiefs had said was probably NOT a valid target and useing Million dollar missiles to destroy $3 tents in the desert.
 
Old 11-21-2002, 09:47 PM   #36
MagiK
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally posted by Attalus:
Thanks, Ronn. I haven't taken part in this thread so far because I have absolutely no interest in Gore due to his blatant opportunism, though I fervently hope he is the Dems nominee in '04. But your point is well-taken. The media seems to think that we only have one or two guys, and if they are paying attention to Saddam, they must be neglecting Al-Qaida, though I am pretty sure that every member of the armed services and intelligence community would trade his or her chance at Paradise to nail Bin Laden. Their name would live forever.

No disrespect to the Man Al Gore, but I will predict that if he runs in '04 that the Republicans will get another huge win. (yes you read it here first and I'll admit it if I turn out to be wrong)
 
Old 11-22-2002, 07:11 AM   #37
Ronn_Bman
Zartan
 

Join Date: March 11, 2001
Location: North Carolina USA
Age: 57
Posts: 5,177
Quote:
Originally posted by MagiK:
quote:
Originally posted by Attalus:
Thanks, Ronn. I haven't taken part in this thread so far because I have absolutely no interest in Gore due to his blatant opportunism, though I fervently hope he is the Dems nominee in '04. But your point is well-taken. The media seems to think that we only have one or two guys, and if they are paying attention to Saddam, they must be neglecting Al-Qaida, though I am pretty sure that every member of the armed services and intelligence community would trade his or her chance at Paradise to nail Bin Laden. Their name would live forever.

No disrespect to the Man Al Gore, but I will predict that if he runs in '04 that the Republicans will get another huge win. (yes you read it here first and I'll admit it if I turn out to be wrong)
[/QUOTE]I think that's what Attalus is counting on.
__________________
[img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />
Ronn_Bman is offline  
 


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New here and two recent threads Cayra Wizards & Warriors Forum 6 03-14-2005 01:11 AM
my most recent work..... Stormymystic 3D Modeling, Artwork and Discussions 10 12-13-2004 06:44 PM
You're kidding me! Bush comments on Ukraine election - The Pot calls the kettle black Yorick General Discussion 1 11-29-2004 01:30 AM
Gore's DWI Ronn_Bman General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005) 4 09-15-2002 02:19 PM
Bush Conspiracy Theories and Comments Moni General Discussion 1 11-16-2001 12:10 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
©2024 Ironworks Gaming & ©2024 The Great Escape Studios TM - All Rights Reserved