ls dual wield better then sword and shield?

Dreamer128 · 12-07-2001, 05:06 AM

Well, considering that you can do twice as much damage and you get the special powers of each weapon while all you lose is a few minor points of AC and a few immunities i'd say yes. But since i'm interested in your opinions as well, bring it on!

lord_gabriel · 12-07-2001, 09:38 AM

Sword and shield only gives you some AC against Missile Weapon - pretty useless, i think. I prefer fighting singlehanded (because of the critical hit with both 19 and 20) also you can use a bow.

i my char isn't capable of wielding a good bow i usually stick to using two weapons - having an additional Attack per round does the trick quite often...

Mitro Jellywadder · 12-07-2001, 10:01 AM

The only people I ever have use a sword and shield are my clerics or druids. My paladins must wield a huge two-handed sword. It just seems right. My thieves go with single weapon, so I can have my bow available at all times. Fighters and rangers both dual wield. At the higher levels when your throwing out 5/2 and 7/2 attacks per round, they add up pretty quick.

I think the benefits of the extra attacks, compensates for the lower armor class gained by wielding a shield.

Dundee Slaytern · 12-07-2001, 12:45 PM

Do not underestimate shields, my solo Cavalier used various number of shields, having another -5 to your AC is not a bad thing and Whirlwinding mutes the point of having extra attacks with Dualwielding.

Shield of Reflection( kisses it), Shield of Balduran, Darksteel Shield, etc... ...

toriuxik · 12-07-2001, 01:51 PM

Yep, if you are big on whirlwind, shields are logical. If you like smite and critical hit more, then use 2 weapons... Seems pretty logical. I had keldorn running around with Purifier and Foebane. He was tough!

Shield of reflection is a true gem.

Darksteel is nice, but Shield of the Order seems better to me. Saving Throw bonuses are nice.

Dundee Slaytern · 12-07-2001, 01:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by toriuxik:
Yep, if you are big on whirlwind, shields are logical. If you like smite and critical hit more, then use 2 weapons... Seems pretty logical. I had keldorn running around with Purifier and Foebane. He was tough!
Shield of reflection is a true gem. Darksteel is nice, but Shield of the Order seems better to me. Saving Throw bonuses are nice.

I was a Cavalier, so I already had low, low saving throws. I was more interested in boosting my resistances, but yes, Shield of the Order is good too.

Eldoran · 12-07-2001, 09:23 PM

I would have to say both have their place, but one thing to think about is that when you use Whirlwind you have your attacks set to 10 a round, so a sword and shield user would be doing 10 attacks with one weapon, as opposed to 10 between 2 weapons. So thats more assurance that the effect of your one weapon will happen, as opposed to the effects of the two... Which in my book is a good thing, as more control = more power!

toriuxik · 12-07-2001, 09:35 PM

lol, and I guess you would have very nice resistance with that shield and a cav, wouldn't you?

Toss in blue armour, and certain other equipment, and you safe from the elements at least. It actually IS handy of some fights.

Magness · 12-08-2001, 11:14 AM

quote:

Originally posted by lord_gabriel:

Sword and shield only gives you some AC against Missile Weapon - pretty useless, i think. I prefer fighting singlehanded (because of the critical hit with both 19 and 20) also you can use a bow.

Lord gabriel, I think you misunderstood the question. It wasn't strictly about comparing the weapon skill "dual wield" vs. "sword and shield. The question was more "which do you prefer... a dual wielding for the extra damage or carrying a shield for the extra defense".

I will freely admit that I'm a big believer in carrying a shield. I LOVE the extra AC.

Dreamer128 · 12-09-2001, 05:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
Do not underestimate shields, my solo Cavalier used various number of shields, having another -5 to your AC is not a bad thing and Whirlwinding mutes the point of having extra attacks with Dualwielding.

Yes, but its not only about the number of attacks a weapon gives you. Their is for instance not a single shield that grants you negative plain protection while there are plenty of weapons that can do that.

12-07-2001, 09:38 AM	#2
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12-07-2001, 12:45 PM	#4
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Do not underestimate shields, my solo Cavalier used various number of shields, having another -5 to your AC is not a bad thing and Whirlwinding mutes the point of having extra attacks with Dualwielding. Shield of Reflection( kisses it), Shield of Balduran, Darksteel Shield, etc... ... __________________ Click On The Image For BG2 Information Land of the Psycho-moe

12-07-2001, 01:55 PM	#6
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	quote: Originally posted by toriuxik: Yep, if you are big on whirlwind, shields are logical. If you like smite and critical hit more, then use 2 weapons... Seems pretty logical. I had keldorn running around with Purifier and Foebane. He was tough! Shield of reflection is a true gem. Darksteel is nice, but Shield of the Order seems better to me. Saving Throw bonuses are nice. I was a Cavalier, so I already had low, low saving throws. I was more interested in boosting my resistances, but yes, Shield of the Order is good too.

12-08-2001, 11:14 AM	#9
Magness Quintesson Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Manchester, NH, USA Posts: 1,025	quote: Originally posted by lord_gabriel: Sword and shield only gives you some AC against Missile Weapon - pretty useless, i think. I prefer fighting singlehanded (because of the critical hit with both 19 and 20) also you can use a bow. Lord gabriel, I think you misunderstood the question. It wasn't strictly about comparing the weapon skill "dual wield" vs. "sword and shield. The question was more "which do you prefer... a dual wielding for the extra damage or carrying a shield for the extra defense". I will freely admit that I'm a big believer in carrying a shield. I LOVE the extra AC.

12-09-2001, 05:07 AM	#10
Dreamer128 Dracolisk Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Europe Age: 39 Posts: 6,136	quote: Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: Do not underestimate shields, my solo Cavalier used various number of shields, having another -5 to your AC is not a bad thing and Whirlwinding mutes the point of having extra attacks with Dualwielding. Yes, but its not only about the number of attacks a weapon gives you. Their is for instance not a single shield that grants you negative plain protection while there are plenty of weapons that can do that.

12-07-2001, 05:06 AM	#1
Dreamer128 Dracolisk Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Europe Age: 39 Posts: 6,136	Well, considering that you can do twice as much damage and you get the special powers of each weapon while all you lose is a few minor points of AC and a few immunities i'd say yes. But since i'm interested in your opinions as well, bring it on!

12-07-2001, 10:01 AM	#3
Mitro Jellywadder Quintesson Join Date: September 5, 2001 Location: Florida Age: 52 Posts: 1,016	The only people I ever have use a sword and shield are my clerics or druids. My paladins must wield a huge two-handed sword. It just seems right. My thieves go with single weapon, so I can have my bow available at all times. Fighters and rangers both dual wield. At the higher levels when your throwing out 5/2 and 7/2 attacks per round, they add up pretty quick. I think the benefits of the extra attacks, compensates for the lower armor class gained by wielding a shield.

12-07-2001, 01:51 PM	#5
toriuxik Banned Smartass Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Who cares Posts: 216	Yep, if you are big on whirlwind, shields are logical. If you like smite and critical hit more, then use 2 weapons... Seems pretty logical. I had keldorn running around with Purifier and Foebane. He was tough! Shield of reflection is a true gem. Darksteel is nice, but Shield of the Order seems better to me. Saving Throw bonuses are nice.

12-07-2001, 09:23 PM	#7
Eldoran Dungeon Master Join Date: December 4, 2001 Location: Home Posts: 96	I would have to say both have their place, but one thing to think about is that when you use Whirlwind you have your attacks set to 10 a round, so a sword and shield user would be doing 10 attacks with one weapon, as opposed to 10 between 2 weapons. So thats more assurance that the effect of your one weapon will happen, as opposed to the effects of the two... Which in my book is a good thing, as more control = more power!

12-07-2001, 09:35 PM	#8
toriuxik Banned Smartass Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Who cares Posts: 216	lol, and I guess you would have very nice resistance with that shield and a cav, wouldn't you? Toss in blue armour, and certain other equipment, and you safe from the elements at least. It actually IS handy of some fights.

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