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Old 05-21-2002, 03:00 AM   #61
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I am a living creative soul. I cant/wont prove it to anyone, wont try. The very fact that I feel compassion and connection with life around me is self-evidence of something more than my flesh. I feel it, I cannot describe, there are no words.

On the other hand, the volume of data amassed on topics like astral projection and remote viewing highly suggests that human consiousness can extend beyond the physical. Remote viewing was successful enough (85%) that the US military had a secret team of remote viewers active during the cold war.
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Old 05-21-2002, 10:06 AM   #62
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I certainly hope so. For me, the knowledge that I have a soul (even if it is abit black and corrupted) is a reassuring thought...
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Old 05-21-2002, 10:20 AM   #63
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I certainly hope so. For me, the knowledge that I have a soul (even if it is abit black and corrupted) is a reassuring thought...
I know mate. [img]smile.gif[/img] But some people don't give a stuff about what peoples feelings are. They don't seem to care how much joy and peace faith gives people.
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Old 05-21-2002, 03:06 PM   #64
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Thought I'd fix up your post so that you don't speak for me or Amber.

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You perform the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and then shouting “la la la I can’t hear you”.

Anyway Occams razor says that the most likely conclusion is that we don’t have any soul, also given our current state of knowledge as related to the real world, it is the most logical and rational conclusion that we do not have one as well.
Simply saying I know I have a soul and you cannot prove me wrong since you might not exist is illogical, irrational and an emotive reaction rather than an actual scientific one, period.

In fact how about I fix up your post, just as you have done to me (now & in the past)?

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I Desperately wish that I had a soul. I want to have a soul. Can I prove it to you? Probably not, and why should I bother? Until you start to believe in god, there will be no dialogue.
 
Old 05-21-2002, 03:10 PM   #65
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I certainly hope so. For me, the knowledge that I have a soul (even if it is abit black and corrupted) is a reassuring thought...
Exactly,
you have hit the nail upon the head. People believe in souls, not because they are true, but because they want to. They want a safety cushion from harsh reality, and the hope of eternal life.
 
Old 05-21-2002, 03:13 PM   #66
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ok, thanks, conan!
anyway..
3.Why would the brain ascribe intension to only some of its actions?
because the brain is sto-sto-stoopid! well, *I* have a cool and awesome brain and it doesnt do that [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Ummm, so you're fully aware of every movement you make... you are aware of you're brain interpreting sound waves to make the final sound you hear?? You are aware of every breath you take and force it to do so??[/QUOTE]umm, yeah, sure [img]tongue.gif[/img] . actually, my posts were all sarcastic, including the one you quoted [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 05-21-2002, 03:14 PM   #67
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Guys...

keep this POLITE or I'm shutting it DOWN. I mean it.

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Old 05-21-2002, 03:16 PM   #68
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Just one question, folks:

How do you define "soul"?

We need to get this straight before there can be any meaningful discussion, right?

And BTW, I'll not be surprised if Black Dragon pops his head in, slots in a one-line post, and then goes away never to return to this thread again for further discussion.
yeah, "soul" is a cool glowing thingy that moves around your body.
but you cannot see it! its soo cool and magical .

ok, i think ill stop my sarcastic nonsense from now on
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Old 05-21-2002, 03:26 PM   #69
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yeah, "soul" is a cool glowing thingy that moves around your body.
but you cannot see it! its soo cool and magical .

So THAT'S what's around my buzzard! I've been wondering. [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]

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Old 05-21-2002, 03:29 PM   #70
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keep this POLITE or I'm shutting it DOWN. I mean it.

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who`s not polite [img]smile.gif[/img] ?
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