What if?

The Hunter of Jahanna · 01-29-2003, 12:09 PM

Simple question
What, if any, is the moral and ethical responsiblity to the populous at large?

Scenario 1:
While walking down the street you observe a mugging take place. Two (apparently) unarmed thugs are robbing an unknown woman in broad daylight. There are no police within sight, and no one else seems to take notice or choose to intervene. What, if any, responsibility do you have?

Scenario 2:
The thugs in scenario #1 are now armed with hand guns. You are unarmed. The woman's life is in obvious danger. What is your responsibliity now?

Scenario 3:The woman in scenario #2 is now a close friend, or relative. What is your responsibliity now?

Answer these questions to yourself. If your answer differes from scenario-to-scenario, ask yourself why?

I borrowed this from a martial arts forum and thought that some of the people here might like to toss the idea around.

AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe · 01-29-2003, 12:22 PM

call 911 for help on my cell phone, on all of them.

Horatio · 01-29-2003, 12:24 PM

1) I'd shout my lungs out, then chase, if I see even a glimpse of a weapon I'd run back to the woman.

2) I'd shout, call for help, but definately not chase.

3) Ditto from 1

Lavindathar · 01-29-2003, 09:10 PM

1. Chase them, hurt them.
2. Sensibly leave it be, call the police, and HOPE its just a mugging with no pointless violence.
3. Grab the biggest, heaviest thing I can find, and t^^t one of them around the head. The second guy'd shoot me(?), and then the woman can get the gun? Or something. At least I'd av got one of em. Only if it was my mother/gma or very close relative.

Aragorn The Wise · 01-29-2003, 09:31 PM

1) I would yell "FREEZE POLICE!". Knowing most common unarmed thugs they won't want to get arrested and run away thus protecting the female and myself for any sort of violence. I would also call 911 on my cell phone before doing this.
2) Call 911 as soon as I witness this and assest the sitution based on the surrounding area. Weather or not I could sneak up on them or just call the police and try to distract them from the female.
3) In my best ability save whoever is being mugged without really thinking it through. No matter how much you say you will act cool when you see a loved one getting mugged by 2 armed men you act before you think.

johnny · 01-29-2003, 10:02 PM

I'm not eager to jump in the line of sight of someone who points a gun, but you never know how you'd react in situations like that. Let's just say i hope i never have to go through this.

Kakero · 01-29-2003, 10:27 PM

I call the police from my cell phone and try to study the muggers face by hard before the police arrive.

homer · 01-30-2003, 12:52 AM

I believe it is the ethical responsibly of any individual to intervene, to the best of their abilities.

In the given scenario there are others around who have not noticed or have not chosen to act. If no one acts, then most likely no else will. However, if one person decides to do something, hopefully some else will also. I think as civilized human beings, who care for everyone, we should all be that first person to act.

Yorick · 01-30-2003, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hunter of Jahanna:
Simple question
What, if any, is the moral and ethical responsiblity to the populous at large?

Scenario 1:
While walking down the street you observe a mugging take place. Two (apparently) unarmed thugs are robbing an unknown woman in broad daylight. There are no police within sight, and no one else seems to take notice or choose to intervene. What, if any, responsibility do you have?

Scenario 2:
The thugs in scenario #1 are now armed with hand guns. You are unarmed. The woman's life is in obvious danger. What is your responsibliity now?

Scenario 3:The woman in scenario #2 is now a close friend, or relative. What is your responsibliity now?

Answer these questions to yourself. If your answer differes from scenario-to-scenario, ask yourself why?

I borrowed this from a martial arts forum and thought that some of the people here might like to toss the idea around.

To make sure she is personally safe.

The Hierophant · 01-30-2003, 08:10 AM

very good question Hunter.

1) Been in that sort of situation before. Confronted said punks (with a few friends), intimidated them away.

2) Hard decision, and I don't really think that a reasoned answer can be given. It would be more of an on-the-spot action situation I think, although it would be nice to think I'd do something to help.

3) That would make the decision easier (theoretically). I wouldn't be able to live myself if I had the opportunity to defend a loved one but chose not to.

I think homer is on to something. Lead by example. Show others that you are not afraid and people will rally behind you (which ties into my number 1 answer). Bullies are surprisingly quick to stand down to firm opposition.

[ 01-30-2003, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]

01-29-2003, 12:24 PM	#3
Horatio Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: September 19, 2001 Location: Behind these metal bars Age: 41 Posts: 3,117	1) I'd shout my lungs out, then chase, if I see even a glimpse of a weapon I'd run back to the woman. 2) I'd shout, call for help, but definately not chase. 3) Ditto from 1 __________________ I <b>am</b> the party!!<br /> [img]\"http://zert0.net/iuti/img2/1381585-vi.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

01-29-2003, 09:10 PM	#4
Lavindathar Harper Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Lancs, England Age: 39 Posts: 4,729	1. Chase them, hurt them. 2. Sensibly leave it be, call the police, and HOPE its just a mugging with no pointless violence. 3. Grab the biggest, heaviest thing I can find, and t^^t one of them around the head. The second guy'd shoot me(?), and then the woman can get the gun? Or something. At least I'd av got one of em. Only if it was my mother/gma or very close relative. __________________ =@

01-29-2003, 09:31 PM	#5
Aragorn The Wise Manshoon Join Date: December 30, 2002 Location: USA Age: 39 Posts: 172	1) I would yell "FREEZE POLICE!". Knowing most common unarmed thugs they won't want to get arrested and run away thus protecting the female and myself for any sort of violence. I would also call 911 on my cell phone before doing this. 2) Call 911 as soon as I witness this and assest the sitution based on the surrounding area. Weather or not I could sneak up on them or just call the police and try to distract them from the female. 3) In my best ability save whoever is being mugged without really thinking it through. No matter how much you say you will act cool when you see a loved one getting mugged by 2 armed men you act before you think. __________________ <br />If TCP/IP handshaking was less formal, perhaps SYN/ACK would be YO!/SUP! instead...

01-29-2003, 10:02 PM	#6
johnny 40th Level Warrior Join Date: April 15, 2002 Location: Utrecht The Netherlands Age: 58 Posts: 16,981	I'm not eager to jump in the line of sight of someone who points a gun, but you never know how you'd react in situations like that. Let's just say i hope i never have to go through this. __________________

01-30-2003, 12:52 AM	#8
homer Manshoon Join Date: November 11, 2001 Location: couch Age: 52 Posts: 180	I believe it is the ethical responsibly of any individual to intervene, to the best of their abilities. In the given scenario there are others around who have not noticed or have not chosen to act. If no one acts, then most likely no else will. However, if one person decides to do something, hopefully some else will also. I think as civilized human beings, who care for everyone, we should all be that first person to act. __________________ You tried and you failed; the lesson is, never try. - Homer

01-29-2003, 12:09 PM	#1
The Hunter of Jahanna Emerald Dragon Join Date: September 25, 2001 Location: NY , NY Age: 63 Posts: 960	Simple question What, if any, is the moral and ethical responsiblity to the populous at large? Scenario 1: While walking down the street you observe a mugging take place. Two (apparently) unarmed thugs are robbing an unknown woman in broad daylight. There are no police within sight, and no one else seems to take notice or choose to intervene. What, if any, responsibility do you have? Scenario 2: The thugs in scenario #1 are now armed with hand guns. You are unarmed. The woman's life is in obvious danger. What is your responsibliity now? Scenario 3:The woman in scenario #2 is now a close friend, or relative. What is your responsibliity now? Answer these questions to yourself. If your answer differes from scenario-to-scenario, ask yourself why? I borrowed this from a martial arts forum and thought that some of the people here might like to toss the idea around. __________________ \"How much do I love you?? I\'ll tell you one thing, it\'d be a whole hell of a lot more if you stopped nagging me and made me a friggin sandwich.\"

01-29-2003, 12:22 PM	#2
AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe Hathor Join Date: October 11, 2001 Location: At My Computer Age: 43 Posts: 2,217	call 911 for help on my cell phone, on all of them. __________________ Now the swinging bridge<br />Is quieted with creepers. . . <br />Like our tendrilled life. -Basho

01-29-2003, 10:27 PM	#7
Kakero 40th Level Warrior Join Date: March 24, 2002 Posts: 10,215	I call the police from my cell phone and try to study the muggers face by hard before the police arrive.

01-30-2003, 08:10 AM	#10
The Hierophant Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: May 10, 2002 Location: Dunedin, New Zealand. Age: 42 Posts: 2,860	very good question Hunter. 1) Been in that sort of situation before. Confronted said punks (with a few friends), intimidated them away. 2) Hard decision, and I don't really think that a reasoned answer can be given. It would be more of an on-the-spot action situation I think, although it would be nice to think I'd do something to help. 3) That would make the decision easier (theoretically). I wouldn't be able to live myself if I had the opportunity to defend a loved one but chose not to. I think homer is on to something. Lead by example. Show others that you are not afraid and people will rally behind you (which ties into my number 1 answer). Bullies are surprisingly quick to stand down to firm opposition. [ 01-30-2003, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ] __________________ [img]\"hosted/Hierophant.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Strewth!

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