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[/QUOTE]I didn't, but I do now! [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Think I shall research this point, - interesting! Or do you know the answer already? [ 04-25-2002, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: Silver Cheetah ]
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Twice, twice! I was misquoted...
Reread my last post please...I did in fact say that science and faith were not exclusive. I was rebutting Magik's comment to the contrary. Man, this conversation has more twists and turns that a mountain pass! Now we're on the environment again?
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I would submit, though, that science is at least based on factual evidence, whereas religion cannot be so supported. Like as has been said so by others here, religion and faith are intensely individual experiences, which are different from person to person. Also, your beliefs can't be supported by any sort of experimental proofs like we use in science to validate things. I could say that I have been touched by the hand of God and that I am the new Messiah, too, although it wouldn't make it so, unless I could prove it by walking on water, or turning water to wine or somesuch (in front of people, so it can be verified). That's not to criticize or invalidate people's personal beliefs in any way. Everyone is entitled to believe as they please - this is a free country after all. I would perhaps be more comfortable if people were not so outspoken in voicing their religious beliefs, or pushing them on others, though. Perhaps religion should be thought of as a private matter, and not spoken of in polite company, much like sex is. After all, who wants to hear about what you and your significant other do in the bedroom at night? Most people, even your friends, would get revolted at the thought. It should be that way with religion, too.[/QUOTE]I still think "Faith" is the wrong word for what you are talking about [img]smile.gif[/img] But I did yeild you the victory in the debate with my "Touche`" Post [img]smile.gif[/img] |
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AS for not doing anything for us....I can only speak for myself here but in my opinion, it is truely a divine miracle that I am even alive today, God saw fit to see me through life and death struggles where a couple of rather large and well armed goups of people really really wanted me dead [img]smile.gif[/img] I know I am good at what I do, but in this and in other things in my life, I can really see the divine intervention. [ 04-26-2002, 08:54 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ] |
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(Those interested in the nature of science might like to read Thomas Kuhn, who argues that science proceeds not primarily through the patient accretion of facts, but by revolutionary interpretative shifts in which one scientific paradigm displaces another. His work raises the question of the rationality of science.) Like I said, I'm no science debunker. Just an interested observer.[/QUOTE]Well knowing that scientists are as political and egotistical as every other group of humans are, I think that this is more a limitation of humans than of science [img]smile.gif[/img] ....I don't know a whole lot of scientists personally but I do know a few...they in general are an oddd lot |
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Of course, I'm neither a scientist nor a geography major, so I acknowledge that the statement MAY be true...it just sounds like a major exaggeration to me. Quote:
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He also wanted to know why people would do some seemingly senseless acts "in the name of religion". I simply turned his questioning around to show that the same points could be made about ANY issue in which people beleived strongly. If you will look at the last part of that Post again, you will see that I was NOT judging all environmentalist based on the actions of a few. I acknowledged that these actions were taken by the "lunatic fringe" - if you will. I was just pointing out that, unfortunately, religion is generally not granted the same courtesy. Look at the Posts in the 2 threads. Most of the original Posts by non-beleivers were at least partially deragotory in their tone towards ANYONE who clung to religious beliefs (and some were just out-and-out insulting). Granted, some of the Reply's generated by those Posts were equally derisive and two wrongs DON"T make a right. Anyway, I sincerely apologize if you took any offense at my Post....I assure it was not meant that way. It is very difficult to convey voice tone and expression through text, so the translation doesn't always come across accurately.[/QUOTE]Great post Cerek, I so totally agree. In the USA they have been using scare tactics. It is all about getting media attention, governmental attention, donated $$$$ and Governmental grants. They can't stand on the facts so they use scare tactics to sensationalize things. It is an "Ends Justifys the Means" issue. |
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