Michael Moore plans Bush-bin Laden film

Grojlach · 03-29-2003, 06:12 AM

Not directly Iraq-related, but I think this article's more in its place here than it is in GC.

Michael Moore plans Bush-bin Laden film

LOS ANGELES, March 28 (UPI) -- Filmmaker Michael Moore's next project might be more controversial than his Oscar-winning documentary "Bowling for Columbine."

According to a report in Friday's Daily Variety, Moore is working on a documentary about the "the murky relationship" between former President George Bush and the family of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. The paper said the movie, "Fahrenheit 911," will suggest that the bin Laden family profited greatly from the association.

Moore's anti-war, anti-Bush Oscar acceptance speech provoked a mixture of cheers and boos at the Academy Awards last Sunday.

In addition to the Best Documentary Oscar, "Bowling for Columbine" also had an extraordinarily robust bottom line. Made for about $3 million, it has grossed nearly $40 million worldwide -- making it one of the most commercially successful documentaries of all time.

Variety reported that Moore is working out a deal with Mel Gibson's production company, Icon Productions, to finance "Fahrenheit 911."

According to Moore, the former president had a business relationship with Osama bin Laden's father, Mohammed bin Laden, a Saudi construction magnate who left $300 million to Osama bin Laden. It has been widely reported that bin Laden used the inheritance to finance global terrorism.

Moore said the bin Laden family was heavily invested in the Carlyle Group, a private global investment firm that the filmmaker said frequently buys failing defense companies and then sells them at a profit. Former President Bush has reportedly served as a senior adviser with the firm.

"The senior Bush kept his ties with the bin Laden family up until two months after Sept. 11," said Moore.

Moore told Variety the primary focus of the new project will be to examine what has happened to the United States since the Sept. 11 terrorist attack. He accused the Bush administration of using a tragic event to push its agenda.

"It (the new project) certainly does deal with the Bush and bin Laden ties," said Moore. "It asks a number of questions that I don't have the answers to yet, but which I intend to find out."

Moore said he expects the new movie to be in U.S. theaters in time for the 2004 presidential election.

While some critics accused Moore of being anti-American for his Oscar speech, Moore told Variety business has been very good for his movie and his best-selling book "Stupid White Men: And Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation."

"I expressed exactly what was in the film and instead of being blacklisted, I've not only gotten a deal to fund 'Fahrenheit 911' but offers on the film after," he said. "Presales on ('Bowling for Columbine's') video release ran ahead of 'Chicago' this week, and my book is returning to the top spot on the New York Times best-seller list."

Moore said the success of his documentary and book reflects majority public support for his political argument.

"It's because the majority of Americans agree with me, see the economy in the toilet and didn't vote for George W," he said. "People are now realizing you can question your government while still caring about the soldiers."

Source: United Press International

Ziroc · 03-29-2003, 07:04 AM

Poor Michael Moore. [img]smile.gif[/img] I doubt anyone would produce it, after he was booed off the stage last week..

Maybe he should become a news reporter for Aljazeera [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

Indemaijinj · 03-29-2003, 12:20 PM

I doubt he has the information and wisdom necessary to actually portray the vast extent of vileness in Al Queda (or the present US administration for that matter).

He is going to fail it. Well, he could move to France.

khazadman · 03-29-2003, 12:24 PM

This guy is a joke. Noone goes to see his works of fiction.

Indemaijinj · 03-29-2003, 12:31 PM

"Bowling for Columbine" was rather popular.

Grojlach · 03-29-2003, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Indemaijinj:
"Bowling for Columbine" was rather popular.

According to the article, one of the most popular documentaries of all time... We've programmed it for the cultural festival at the University here in Eindhoven as well, and out of the films we've chosen to play at the festival (Jalla Jalla, Storytelling, Battle Royale, Shaolin Soccer, Donnie Darko, The Idiots and Bowling for Columbine), it's most likely going to be the most visited one.
Though I suppose its popularity has something to do with the not so good reputation of the US in the world currently.

Bardan the Slayer · 03-29-2003, 02:51 PM

Mr. Moore has also had his own TV series over here, which was rather successful, in which he exposed to us the shocking state of the US health system and so on. Also, I believe he was the inspiration for one Mark Thomas, the british version who is also extremely popular over here

Moore is one of those people that will polarize people. Right-wingers will despise and hate him, and condemn everything he does, no matter what it is, because they feel personally threatened by him, that he's going to provoke people into "taking away their guns" or somesuch.

Left-wingers will hail him and the cutting truth of his documentaries.

He'll never be judged on any work he does again, sadly (because his work is very good - no matter what some say, people don't pay to see BfC expecting to see a 'work of fiction'). He'll be judged on how much scorn his work attracts from those with an opposing agenda and who comes up with the better personal attacks - him or his opponents.

I think the reason that they're more popular in the UK is that we're willing to believe that big businesses especially and government intermittently tend to be heaving morasses of corruption, whereas in the US the far more right-wing populace (and the exponentially greater power weilded by large corporations) ensures that he gets bad press everywhere he goes.

[ 03-29-2003, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: Bardan the Slayer ]

Barry the Sprout · 03-30-2003, 07:47 AM

Well, I can't wait personally. I'm a big fan of his work in general, but Bowling for Columbine was excellent. I didn't agree with all of his conclusions, and I certainly think his politics are sketchy in places, but ultimately the film was still worth watching. I can say honestly that I recommend the pro-gun crowd to go watch it to - even if you hate Michael Moore from what you already know of him I think you'd appreciate the film on some level. He is far from being the typical American Liberal, from my reading of him anyway, so don't get too worked up about how much you disagree with him just yet...

And also, quite frankly, his stuff is hysterically funny in places. He presents awful topics in a way that the facts are still brought home to you, yet you find yourself laughing at the absurdity of it all. Thats his talent, IMO, he can really pinpoint the absolute ridiculousness of a situation!

Ziroc · 03-30-2003, 10:54 PM

lol, his new book called "Stupid White Men ...and Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation!" is out.. here is the Amazon.com review:

--------
Editorial Reviews

Amazon.com
Stupid White Men, Michael Moore's screed against "Thief-in-Chief" George Bush's power elite, hit No. 1 at Amazon.com within days of publication. Why? It's as fulminating and crammed with infuriating facts as any right-wing bestseller, as irreverent as The Onion, and as noisily entertaining as a wrestling smackdown. Moore offers a more interesting critique of the 2000 election than Ralph Nader's Crashing the Party (he argued with Nader, his old boss, who sacked him), and he's serious when he advocates ousting Bush. But Moore's rage is outrageous, couched in shameless gags and madcap comedy: "Old white men wielding martinis and wearing dickies have occupied our nation's capital.... Launch the SCUD missiles! Bring us the head of Antonin Scalia!... We are no longer [able] to hold free and fair elections. We need U.N. observers, U.N. troops." Moore's ideas range from on-the-money (Arafat should beat Sharon with Gandhi's nonviolent shame tactics) to over-the-top: blacks should put inflatable white dolls in their cars so racist cops will think they're chauffeurs; the ever-more-Republicanesque Democratic Party should be sued for fraud; "no contributions toward advancing our civilization ever came out of the South [except Faulkner, Hellman, and R.J. Reynolds]," because it's too hot to think straight there; Korean dictator Kim Jong-il "has got to broaden himself beyond porn and John Wayne" by watching better movies, like Dude, Where's My Car? (which contains "all you need to know about America"). Whatever your politics, Stupid White Men should make you blow your stack. --Tim Appelo
--------------

He is the equilivant of a 'shock jock'. A guy that lives his life tearing down other people. how pathetic.....

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060392452/r ef=ts_bh_1_4/104-5332524-9083125?v=glance&s=books&n=283155

[ 03-30-2003, 10:57 PM: Message edited by: Ziroc ]

Iron_Ranger · 03-31-2003, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bardan the Slayer:

Right-wingers will despise and hate him, and condemn everything he does, no matter what it is, because they feel personally threatened by him, that he's going to provoke people into "taking away their guns" or somesuch.
[/QB]

I dont feel threanted by him, I just think he is a Moron. Anyone seen this?-

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Prety interesting and backs up just about everything with facts. Have a look.

03-29-2003, 06:12 AM	#1
Grojlach Zartan Join Date: May 2, 2001 Location: Ulpia Noviomagus Batavorum Age: 43 Posts: 5,281	Not directly Iraq-related, but I think this article's more in its place here than it is in GC. Michael Moore plans Bush-bin Laden film LOS ANGELES, March 28 (UPI) -- Filmmaker Michael Moore's next project might be more controversial than his Oscar-winning documentary "Bowling for Columbine." According to a report in Friday's Daily Variety, Moore is working on a documentary about the "the murky relationship" between former President George Bush and the family of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. The paper said the movie, "Fahrenheit 911," will suggest that the bin Laden family profited greatly from the association. Moore's anti-war, anti-Bush Oscar acceptance speech provoked a mixture of cheers and boos at the Academy Awards last Sunday. In addition to the Best Documentary Oscar, "Bowling for Columbine" also had an extraordinarily robust bottom line. Made for about $3 million, it has grossed nearly $40 million worldwide -- making it one of the most commercially successful documentaries of all time. Variety reported that Moore is working out a deal with Mel Gibson's production company, Icon Productions, to finance "Fahrenheit 911." According to Moore, the former president had a business relationship with Osama bin Laden's father, Mohammed bin Laden, a Saudi construction magnate who left $300 million to Osama bin Laden. It has been widely reported that bin Laden used the inheritance to finance global terrorism. Moore said the bin Laden family was heavily invested in the Carlyle Group, a private global investment firm that the filmmaker said frequently buys failing defense companies and then sells them at a profit. Former President Bush has reportedly served as a senior adviser with the firm. "The senior Bush kept his ties with the bin Laden family up until two months after Sept. 11," said Moore. Moore told Variety the primary focus of the new project will be to examine what has happened to the United States since the Sept. 11 terrorist attack. He accused the Bush administration of using a tragic event to push its agenda. "It (the new project) certainly does deal with the Bush and bin Laden ties," said Moore. "It asks a number of questions that I don't have the answers to yet, but which I intend to find out." Moore said he expects the new movie to be in U.S. theaters in time for the 2004 presidential election. While some critics accused Moore of being anti-American for his Oscar speech, Moore told Variety business has been very good for his movie and his best-selling book "Stupid White Men: And Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation." "I expressed exactly what was in the film and instead of being blacklisted, I've not only gotten a deal to fund 'Fahrenheit 911' but offers on the film after," he said. "Presales on ('Bowling for Columbine's') video release ran ahead of 'Chicago' this week, and my book is returning to the top spot on the New York Times best-seller list." Moore said the success of his documentary and book reflects majority public support for his political argument. "It's because the majority of Americans agree with me, see the economy in the toilet and didn't vote for George W," he said. "People are now realizing you can question your government while still caring about the soldiers." Source: United Press International __________________ [url]\"http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/Grobbel/\" target=\"_blank\"> [img]\"http://www.denness.net/rpi/username/Grobbel\" alt=\" - \" /></a>

03-29-2003, 07:04 AM	#2
Ziroc Ironworks Webmaster *Bow to the Meow* Join Date: January 4, 2001 Location: Lakeland, Florida Age: 51 Posts: 11,720	Poor Michael Moore. [img]smile.gif[/img] I doubt anyone would produce it, after he was booed off the stage last week.. Maybe he should become a news reporter for Aljazeera [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] __________________ Ziroc™ Ironworks Gaming Webmaster www.ironworksgaming.com The Great Escape Studios - 2D/3D Modeling www.tgeweb.com & Ziroc's Facebook Page Visit My Flickr Photo Album

03-29-2003, 12:20 PM	#3
Indemaijinj Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 43 Posts: 1,163	I doubt he has the information and wisdom necessary to actually portray the vast extent of vileness in Al Queda (or the present US administration for that matter). He is going to fail it. Well, he could move to France. __________________ The Bleak Caballero<br /><br />Proud and original member (and secret admirer) of the Pro-Mazzy movement.

03-29-2003, 12:31 PM	#5
Indemaijinj Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 43 Posts: 1,163	"Bowling for Columbine" was rather popular. __________________ The Bleak Caballero<br /><br />Proud and original member (and secret admirer) of the Pro-Mazzy movement.

03-29-2003, 02:51 PM	#7
Bardan the Slayer Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: August 16, 2002 Location: Newcastle, England Age: 45 Posts: 699	Mr. Moore has also had his own TV series over here, which was rather successful, in which he exposed to us the shocking state of the US health system and so on. Also, I believe he was the inspiration for one Mark Thomas, the british version who is also extremely popular over here Moore is one of those people that will polarize people. Right-wingers will despise and hate him, and condemn everything he does, no matter what it is, because they feel personally threatened by him, that he's going to provoke people into "taking away their guns" or somesuch. Left-wingers will hail him and the cutting truth of his documentaries. He'll never be judged on any work he does again, sadly (because his work is very good - no matter what some say, people don't pay to see BfC expecting to see a 'work of fiction'). He'll be judged on how much scorn his work attracts from those with an opposing agenda and who comes up with the better personal attacks - him or his opponents. I think the reason that they're more popular in the UK is that we're willing to believe that big businesses especially and government intermittently tend to be heaving morasses of corruption, whereas in the US the far more right-wing populace (and the exponentially greater power weilded by large corporations) ensures that he gets bad press everywhere he goes. [ 03-29-2003, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: Bardan the Slayer ] __________________ <br />[url]\"http://www.the-silver-river.com\" target=\"_blank\">Admin and Co-Owner of The Silver River!</a><br />[url]\"http://www.the-silver-river.com/Photo%20Album/Reeka.html\" target=\"_blank\">SMNOOOOOOCH!</a> You know who it\'s meant for <img border=\"0\" title=\"\" alt=\"[Wink]\" src=\"wink.gif\" />

03-29-2003, 12:24 PM	#4
khazadman User suspended until [Feb13] Join Date: December 6, 2001 Location: the south side of ol virginny Age: 62 Posts: 1,172	This guy is a joke. Noone goes to see his works of fiction.

03-30-2003, 07:47 AM	#8
Barry the Sprout White Dragon Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: York, UK. Age: 41 Posts: 1,815	Well, I can't wait personally. I'm a big fan of his work in general, but Bowling for Columbine was excellent. I didn't agree with all of his conclusions, and I certainly think his politics are sketchy in places, but ultimately the film was still worth watching. I can say honestly that I recommend the pro-gun crowd to go watch it to - even if you hate Michael Moore from what you already know of him I think you'd appreciate the film on some level. He is far from being the typical American Liberal, from my reading of him anyway, so don't get too worked up about how much you disagree with him just yet... And also, quite frankly, his stuff is hysterically funny in places. He presents awful topics in a way that the facts are still brought home to you, yet you find yourself laughing at the absurdity of it all. Thats his talent, IMO, he can really pinpoint the absolute ridiculousness of a situation! __________________ [img]\"http://img1.ranchoweb.com/images/sproutman/certwist.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /><br /><i>\"And the angels all pallid and wan,<br />Uprising, unveiling, affirm,<br />That the play is the tragedy, man,<br />And its hero the Conquerer Worm.\"</i><br /> - Edgar Allan Poe

03-30-2003, 10:54 PM	#9
Ziroc Ironworks Webmaster *Bow to the Meow* Join Date: January 4, 2001 Location: Lakeland, Florida Age: 51 Posts: 11,720	lol, his new book called "Stupid White Men ...and Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation!" is out.. here is the Amazon.com review: -------- Editorial Reviews Amazon.com Stupid White Men, Michael Moore's screed against "Thief-in-Chief" George Bush's power elite, hit No. 1 at Amazon.com within days of publication. Why? It's as fulminating and crammed with infuriating facts as any right-wing bestseller, as irreverent as The Onion, and as noisily entertaining as a wrestling smackdown. Moore offers a more interesting critique of the 2000 election than Ralph Nader's Crashing the Party (he argued with Nader, his old boss, who sacked him), and he's serious when he advocates ousting Bush. But Moore's rage is outrageous, couched in shameless gags and madcap comedy: "Old white men wielding martinis and wearing dickies have occupied our nation's capital.... Launch the SCUD missiles! Bring us the head of Antonin Scalia!... We are no longer [able] to hold free and fair elections. We need U.N. observers, U.N. troops." Moore's ideas range from on-the-money (Arafat should beat Sharon with Gandhi's nonviolent shame tactics) to over-the-top: blacks should put inflatable white dolls in their cars so racist cops will think they're chauffeurs; the ever-more-Republicanesque Democratic Party should be sued for fraud; "no contributions toward advancing our civilization ever came out of the South [except Faulkner, Hellman, and R.J. Reynolds]," because it's too hot to think straight there; Korean dictator Kim Jong-il "has got to broaden himself beyond porn and John Wayne" by watching better movies, like Dude, Where's My Car? (which contains "all you need to know about America"). Whatever your politics, Stupid White Men should make you blow your stack. --Tim Appelo -------------- He is the equilivant of a 'shock jock'. A guy that lives his life tearing down other people. how pathetic..... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060392452/r ef=ts_bh_1_4/104-5332524-9083125?v=glance&s=books&n=283155 [ 03-30-2003, 10:57 PM: Message edited by: Ziroc ] __________________ Ziroc™ Ironworks Gaming Webmaster www.ironworksgaming.com The Great Escape Studios - 2D/3D Modeling www.tgeweb.com & Ziroc's Facebook Page Visit My Flickr Photo Album

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