Drill Baby Drill!!!

[Timber Loftis]

BTW this little spill has caused the closing of America's most fecund fishing ground.

[John D Harris]

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior Wait, are you saying that in your understanding, computer circuit boards are made from plastic?

open up your computer and tell me you have no plastic in it? there's more to a computer then a silcon chip, there are all kinds of circuits in there anchored on plastic... If you would like to put your money where your mouth is why don't you open up your computer and take some photos of it and let us examine the photos and gaze in wonderment at all the plastic in it or lack there of... every wire that is insultated so your computer doesn't short out is made from crude oil... that pretty green plastic mother board that your silicon chip is on.... made out of oil... you niffty video card... you guessed it made from crude oil... the RAM it's got plastic made from cude oil... all those neat metal circuits.... do you understand what keeps them from shorting out is the plastic insulation made from crude oil. So SW go right ahead and take those photos... I'll be right here a-waitin for'em If you think you can make a computer without using crude oil go for it, when you gat a working prototype give me a call I'll invest in your company... P.T. Barnum way underestemated the birth rate.. we'll make money hand over fist, I don't know about you but I'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

[John D Harris]

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis /gets popcorn

I got your popcorn hangin' did you have to un wrap that nice little plastic wrapper on the mircowavable popcorn TL?.... walla crude oil... Did you walk to an Amish farmer to but popcorn he grew using horses and wooden wheels on his farm equiptment... if you didn't Walla Crude oil had a hand it that popcorn your so wanting to munch on... TL you got'sta quit chunking me softballs... Hale's bells I I can knock these out of the ballpark all day...

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally Posted by John D Harris open up your computer and tell me you have no plastic in it? there's more to a computer then a silcon chip, there are all kinds of circuits in there anchored on plastic... If you would like to put your money where your mouth is why don't you open up your computer and take some photos of it and let us examine the photos and gaze in wonderment at all the plastic in it or lack there of... every wire that is insultated so your computer doesn't short out is made from crude oil... that pretty green plastic mother board that your silicon chip is on.... made out of oil... you niffty video card... you guessed it made from crude oil... the RAM it's got plastic made from cude oil... all those neat metal circuits.... do you understand what keeps them from shorting out is the plastic insulation made from crude oil. So SW go right ahead and take those photos... I'll be right here a-waitin for'em If you think you can make a computer without using crude oil go for it, when you gat a working prototype give me a call I'll invest in your company... P.T. Barnum way underestemated the birth rate.. we'll make money hand over fist, I don't know about you but I'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

I never said anything about me building a computer in it's current present-day specs without using plastic. But then, I am not an inventor of new technologies. But, this does not answer the question I asked.

So let me ask it another way. Can a circuit board, one of the most basic communicators in a PC or any other device, be built using wood, for example?

[John D Harris]

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis BTW this little spill has caused the closing of America's most fecund fishing ground.

you're right it's going to be terrible, lots of people I know including myself will be hit directly from the spill, and the inusing economic disaster to the effected areas.

[John D Harris]

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior I never said anything about me building a computer in it's current present-day specs without using plastic. But then, I am not an inventor of new technologies. But, this does not answer the question I asked. So let me ask it another way. Can a circuit board, one of the most basic communicators in a PC or any other device, be built using wood, for example?

from what I understand Apples first computers used wooden boxes... the first mouse was made of wood... sure a computer can be made of wood or any other other matterial that is an insulator of electricity...ceramics would work...but You're going to have a hard time running all those neat little metal circuits on a metal board without insulating them....then making a computer out of wood wasn't the question you asked, the question you asked was:

Wait, are you saying that in your understanding, computer circuit boards are made from plastic?

plastic sure as Hale is used in making circuit boards... I still await those photos proving me wrong... hey look at it this way SW you could join Davros and get the honor of me admitting for all time that you won one.

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally Posted by John D Harris from what I understand Apples first computers used wooden boxes... the first mouse was made of wood... sure a computer can be made of wood or any other other matterial that is an insulator of electricity...ceramics would work...but You're going to have a hard time running all those neat little metal circuits on a metal board without insulating them....then making a computer out of wood wasn't the question you asked, the question you asked was: plastic sure as Hale is used in making circuit boards... I still await those photos proving me wrong... hey look at it this way SW you could join Davros and get the honor of me admitting for all time that you won one.

Well, you answered the question finally, albeit after a few posts...so I am on the fence whether you know what you are talking about. Yes, you're right about the wood used in early models....but a post ago you mocked the idea of wood being used. So I am wondering...

I am unsure what you want photos for, I never claimed to own a wooden computer. I simply asked you if your understanding of circuit boards was primarily composed of plastic being an integral component. You seemed to at first say "YES" then say "NO, but plastic is better".

In fact, the current materials used in circuit board creation are actually more toxic than plastic.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally Posted by John D Harris did you have to un wrap that nice little plastic wrapper on the mircowavable popcorn TL?.... ... Did you walk to an Amish farmer to but popcorn he grew using horses and wooden wheels on his farm equiptment... if you didn't Walla Crude oil had a hand it that popcorn your so wanting to munch on... TL you got'sta quit chunking me softballs... Hale's bells I I can knock these out of the ballpark all day...

You have this uncanny knack of saying "Haha, now we are arguing about [insert unrelated topic] so... I win!!!" It's cute, but not when done by an old man.

I am not arguing that I do not use oil, nor that everyone should stop using oil. I am simply pointing out that not nearly enough thought was put into where we were seeking oil in this case. It took bleeding edge technology to go down 5000 ft. to get this oil, and we didn't have the bleeding edge technology to fix it when and if it broke. It's a classic case of marching ahead with "We Can!" when someone shoulda stopped and said "But Shoud We?"

Now you can keep sitting there at that Tee-Ball stand swinging your bat wildly and yelling "I WIN I WIN I WIN" or you can enter the discussion in earnest. Your call.

[SpiritWarrior]

Agreed. John for some reason tends to do that alot. I have pointed it out to him before to no avail.

Case in hand...

John: "Show me photos of no plastic in your computer".
Me: "Um...when did I say there was no plastic in my computer?"
John: "I win!"
Me: "LOL?"

It's funny though, I have to say, lol.

[John D Harris]

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis You have this uncanny knack of saying "Haha, now we are arguing about [insert unrelated topic] so... I win!!!" It's cute, but not when done by an old man. I am not arguing that I do not use oil, nor that everyone should stop using oil. I am simply pointing out that not nearly enough thought was put into where we were seeking oil in this case. It took bleeding edge technology to go down 5000 ft. to get this oil, and we didn't have the bleeding edge technology to fix it when and if it broke. It's a classic case of marching ahead with "We Can!" when someone shoulda stopped and said "But Shoud We?" Now you can keep sitting there at that Tee-Ball stand swinging your bat wildly and yelling "I WIN I WIN I WIN" or you can enter the discussion in earnest. Your call.

wow TL I was unaware you have a degrtee in engineering... here I thunked you am a lawyer ... now you might want to put your lawyering education to some use and look at my origianl post and your reply.... hmmmm wasn't something said by you about: "As John D says, it's just one little spill. And there are lots of rigs out there. So, it's just a minor deal, right?" I never said it was a minor deal just that stuff happens... in fact you got caught redhanded by another.... yet hmmmm I'm trying to change the agrument... ROTHFLMAO... Hale TL you keep throwing softballs like a girl