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View Poll Results: Have You Decided Yet? | |||
Yes I have decided who I am going to vote for | 14 | 66.67% | |
No I have no idea still who to vote for | 2 | 9.52% | |
I will finally decide at the very last minute literally | 1 | 4.76% | |
I hate them both, I'll flip a coin to decide, or ask a bum | 1 | 4.76% | |
I hate them both, so won't vote at all | 0 | 0% | |
What the Hell happened to Ross Perot dammit! | 3 | 14.29% | |
Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll |
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10-17-2008, 10:23 AM | #21 |
Jack Burton
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Re: Presidential Elections - Have You Decided Yet?
Given that 86% of Americans say they're Christian, or even if they're some other religion, I encourage all of you to "have faith". If you are one to pray, then pray!
Have faith in your Father that he is in control: because He is. Do what it says on your money: "In God we Trust". I really don't mean to sidetrack things, but it is how I feel. PS, Larry, it's great to see you posting more! I hope some of the other mods follow suit.
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10-17-2008, 10:39 AM | #22 | |
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Re: Presidential Elections - Have You Decided Yet?
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10-17-2008, 12:04 PM | #23 | |
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Re: Presidential Elections - Have You Decided Yet?
I hate both candidates. I place my vote under flipping a coin/asking a bum, but I'm really not going to do that. It is just the category closest to "I hate them both but I'll vote for one of them". Or I may go third party.
Originally I was going to vote McCain, until he chose Palin as his running mate. But neither of them at this point are up to snuff for the presidency I feel. I'm still mulling over it. I might vote for a 3rd party candidate, even though they will never ever get elected. But regardless of who I vote for, it really doesn't matter as NY will swing to Obama during the election. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Quote:
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10-17-2008, 12:21 PM | #24 |
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Re: Presidential Elections - Have You Decided Yet?
Well, actually, the seperation of church and state prohibits the gov't from interfering with religious matters, and prevents the state from declaring a national religion, so you have the right to choose what you believe, or not believe. That doesn't mean you can't follow your religious values when voting.
That being said, we are kind of starting to side track this thread, perhaps further discussion should occur in a seperate thread while this one continues on it's intended path?
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10-17-2008, 12:55 PM | #25 | |
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What I took issue with was not Variol saying "have faith" with whomever you vote for, but rather Variol illustrating that through using our currency as an example. |
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10-17-2008, 01:03 PM | #26 |
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Re: Presidential Elections - Have You Decided Yet?
Ah, ok. I think I understand what you meant now.
So you're saying that having "In God We Trust" on our currency is effectively declaring a state religion? (making sure I understand, like I think I do.)
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10-17-2008, 01:36 PM | #27 | |
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Just a little history as well. http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fac...we-trust.shtml |
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10-17-2008, 02:38 PM | #28 | |
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Re: Presidential Elections - Have You Decided Yet?
I'm not sure where it's supposed to be a big "no-no". As I read it:
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I personally have no issue with "In God We Trust" on our currency. I know I'm not alone in this, but I'm also aware that there are many others who feel the exact opposite as I do. Bottom line (I'm starting to say that too much), I don't see where it violates anything in the constitution.
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10-17-2008, 02:44 PM | #29 |
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Re: Presidential Elections - Have You Decided Yet?
Id really appreciate it if you U.S. IWers would vote for McCain as I made a bet for the sum of £20 that he'd win
Although that was back when I thought he had a chance
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10-17-2008, 02:54 PM | #30 |
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Re: Presidential Elections - Have You Decided Yet?
Interesting. I find the flaw in that 1861 logic ("...to which no possible citizen could object") to be quite indicative of the times and perspective. I guess the atheists and agnostics weren't quite so well-organized 150 years ago...
'Course, today something like that would require more than a letter and a memo to a Mint director. It would take 14 bills in Congress, $14 billion in additional pork, three months in committee and debate, 11 years in the courts deciding whether or not it broke the boundaries of church and state, and no less than three venerable grandmothers threatening to take the legislature out behind the woodshed to beat some sensibility into them. Ah, well... we can always hope for that last part...
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