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Old 05-31-2002, 06:40 PM   #51
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Skywalker I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. There is no changes in the LAWS that the FBI must follow just some bureucratic (sp?) BS that has been hamstinging the FBI and CIA for years. ie: In the past if a FBI agent happened to overhear someone talking they couldn't even look in to it without going to Washingtont D.C. (Our Nation's great bastion of wisdom and brains) and get approval. One year later and countless bureucratic hoops jumped through they might get the ok to ask if they can look into it. Provided they have gotton down on their knees and begged the right bureucrat! The FBI will still need to get a search warrent to real evidence gathering, the kind that is admissable in court! Bureucratic BS does not trump the U.S. Constitution.
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Old 05-31-2002, 08:18 PM   #52
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i would trust bush's people with these powers than certain others.remember when the last occupant of the white house was found to be in illeagal posession of more than 900 f.b.i. file of their political opponents?
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Old 06-01-2002, 01:38 AM   #53
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I'm curious as to what alot of Americans percieve 'America' to be. In many cases that I have enquired into (but certainly not all) the primary image that comes to mind when people talk about 'America' is the collective of white, middle-class, capitalism. I'm just wondering what most people think (I mean REALLY, honestly and instinctually think, with no artificially-rhetorical explanations) America in and of itself means. Does your ideal perception of America and the rights of the citizen (whether given or earned) include within it the multitudes of destitute ethnic minorities or displaced Amerindian tribes? Is America the land of the Free? Or the land of the equitably-privileged?

Please do not take offence at these questions, they are not intended to be insulting or abrasive. As a history student I am merely eager to obtain primary resources of input as to the phenomenon of 'America'.

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Old 06-01-2002, 01:46 AM   #54
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I'm curious as to what alot of Americans percieve 'America' to be. In many cases that I have enquired into (but certainly not all) the primary image that comes to mind when people talk about 'America' is the collective of white, middle-class, capitalism. I'm just wondering what most people think (I mean REALLY, honestly and instinctually think, with no artificially-rhetorical explanations) America in and of itself means. Does your ideal perception of America and the rights of the citizen (whether given or earned) include within it the multitudes of destitute ethnic minorities or displaced Amerindian tribes? Is America the land of the Free? Or the land of the equitably-privilidged?

Please do not take offence at these questions, they are not intended to be insulting or abrasive. As a history student I am merely eager to obtain primary resources of input as to the phenomenon of 'America'.
MY opinion of America is that of a nation where everyone has opportunity whether they were born here or not, where all that ARE born here have equal rights. Granted the rich have the better chance of becoming richer, but I've known dirt poor farmer's sons who today are millionaires, poor people of "other than Caucasian" backgrounds who are today successful business people with bank accounts to envy.
Even those who can prove a percentage of Native heritage are given money and higher educations by the Government.
It is normally the people in the middle who get stuck if they can't afford to better their status in order to raise their incomes...the poor are taken care of and the rich are given the best tax write-offs.
I may not agree with the politicians but I think this is the best country to be in no matter what color you are...you just have to be cautious of what state you live in and which area...racism is part of America the same way it is the rest of the world.
 
Old 06-01-2002, 06:46 AM   #55
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I'm curious as to what alot of Americans percieve 'America' to be. In many cases that I have enquired into (but certainly not all) the primary image that comes to mind when people talk about 'America' is the collective of white, middle-class, capitalism. I'm just wondering what most people think (I mean REALLY, honestly and instinctually think, with no artificially-rhetorical explanations) America in and of itself means. Does your ideal perception of America and the rights of the citizen (whether given or earned) include within it the multitudes of destitute ethnic minorities or displaced Amerindian tribes? Is America the land of the Free? Or the land of the equitably-privileged?

Please do not take offence at these questions, they are not intended to be insulting or abrasive. As a history student I am merely eager to obtain primary resources of input as to the phenomenon of 'America'.
Well, America’s just ultimately the same as the rest of the western world, a country with a huge Rich/poor gap, unequal opportunities, and rule by a rich oligarchy, and government which is nothing more than the instrument of the dominant class.

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Old 06-01-2002, 11:35 AM   #56
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I'm curious as to what alot of Americans percieve 'America' to be. In many cases that I have enquired into (but certainly not all) the primary image that comes to mind when people talk about 'America' is the collective of white, middle-class, capitalism. I'm just wondering what most people think (I mean REALLY, honestly and instinctually think, with no artificially-rhetorical explanations) America in and of itself means. Does your ideal perception of America and the rights of the citizen (whether given or earned) include within it the multitudes of destitute ethnic minorities or displaced Amerindian tribes? Is America the land of the Free? Or the land of the equitably-privileged?

Please do not take offence at these questions, they are not intended to be insulting or abrasive. As a history student I am merely eager to obtain primary resources of input as to the phenomenon of 'America'.
America is a land where anybody can have succes if they are willing to work for it and follow the laws of the land. Our rights are equal for all. Most people don't understand what rights are, NOBODY has the right to be liked. So, if people don't like you for whatever assinine reason their minds can come up with deal with it and move on.
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