My best party, yet! Wadda u fink?

kartetse · 11-06-2003, 12:46 AM

After post/chat with NobleNick and others I decided to restart and re-roll and this is the result. Please tell me what you think!
(NobleNick - Do you think I need to redo my Bard, or is she OK? I'm unsure if I should have tried for higher stats for her.)
(18/99 strength must be good, eh?)

Leader:
Name: Starts with an K. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Male/Human/Paladin
str 18/50,dex 15,con 18,int 3(I guide him anyways

),wis 18,cha 18.

Sympathetic Tank No1:
Name: Glommor
Male/Dwarf/Fighter/Cleric
str 18/99,dex 17,con 19,int 8,wis 18,cha 3.

Sympathetic Tank No2:
Name: Triaston
Male/Dwarf/Fighter/Cleric
str 18/70,dex 17,con 19,int 9,wis 18,cha 10.

Sympathetic Thief (yeah - Robin Hood stuff):
Name: Slider
Female/Halfling/Thief
str 17,dex 19,con 18,int 17,wis 7,cha 7.

Cook and fires:
Name: Kari
Female/Human/Invoker specialist mage.
str 18,dex 12,con 18,int 18,wis 10,cha 10.

Songs en entertainment:
Name: Sonet
Female/Human/Bard
str 14,dex 12,con 12,int 14,wis 13,cha 17.

kartetse

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do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

moiraine sedai · 11-06-2003, 07:30 AM

Two fighter/clerics...? I never tried it... Could be fun...

Keep us posted on how they do. The stats seem pretty good. The bard might need rerolling, but not if it is eventually going to just sit around singing war chant of the sith.

Just my thoughts...

Moiraine Sedai

kartetse · 11-06-2003, 08:17 AM

Yep - the lady bard has good stats all in all but I could not take any area to the full 18 or equivalent and I'm not sure if that is how its supposed to be and if I should try for better.

NobleNick, your insight here would be much appreciated...

kartetse

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do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

pritchke · 11-06-2003, 10:13 AM

Songs en entertainment:
Name: Sonet
Female/Human/Bard
str 14,dex 12,con 12,int 14,wis 13,cha 17.

Good Party, but for the Bard it would be nice to have better intelligence. He is not going to do much fighting so lower the strength to 10 to give you 18 intelligence, he does not need wisdom so if you can lower that to put a few points in other stats like Con, and/or dex. She will after all be your only magic user so you should make it easy on yourself for learning the spells.
(edit)
OK, I see you do have a mage. I would still put int to at least 16, and distrubute points from wisdom and strenght to dex or con. If you are concerned about strength than you may be able to boost that later [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 11-06-2003, 10:25 AM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

kartetse · 11-06-2003, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pritchke:
Songs en entertainment:
Name: Sonet
Female/Human/Bard
str 14,dex 12,con 12,int 14,wis 13,cha 17.

She will after all be your only magic user so you should make it easy on yourself for learning the spells.

I do have a specialist mage, though (the one above the bard). But you're right I'll have to tweak my bard a bit!

kartetse

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do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

ZFR · 11-06-2003, 11:31 AM

For the bard, dont lower strength below 12 because you will have trouble with her weight capacity later (bards can wear chainmail). IMO lower charisma since you have a paladin with CHA 18. also consider lowering CON and WIS and raise dexterity to the max, to benefit more from pickpocket and ranged weapon THACO.

[ 11-06-2003, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: ZFR ]

kartetse · 11-07-2003, 01:46 AM

Thanks, guys! I've rerolled for the bard and she now looks something like this:
str 18, dex18, con 18, wis 3, int 18, cha 13. I lost a bit of experience there but I must say I've now played through to Kuldahar in about an hour, discovering areas of the map near the mill which I had missed first time round. This party is really something!! My dual class fighter/clerics take a long while to level but that's OK - I've really kicked some but last night!

Cool - thanks inter alia, NobleNick, Pritchke and Lymond!

kartetse

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do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

Sonic · 11-07-2003, 01:52 AM

I think the *3*Is alitle low i hate players that put 3 i can understand 7-10 but not 3!.When i roll a fighter it gets often 18 18 18 12 10 10.A bard can hawe 16 18 16 18 12 17.

kartetse · 11-10-2003, 03:06 AM

I can't imagine what the drawback would be if a character has a "3" in a non-essential area?

Just a comment on the party in general - they have been going like a hot knife through butter, through the Vale of Shadows and were currently cruising through the Temple (of what God again?)...

kartetse

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do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

[ 11-10-2003, 05:04 AM: Message edited by: kartetse ]

NobleNick · 11-10-2003, 11:22 AM

kartetse,

Whoa!! 85, 86, the equivalent of 91, 92.... these are rolls to be proud of!

Several notes:

1.) Some have said that your lead character should not be too lacking in INT or WIS, in addition to having CHA maxed out. I don't know. Some of my guys make rocks look like schooled sages.

2.) Every one of your hairy and brutal front line have exceptionally high STR (good!) at the expense of DEX (bad). STR spells, equipment and potions are easier to come by than DEX potions, spells, etc.; and DEX is very important for a tank [tank = character designed to RECEIVE punishment]. This was very hard for me to come to grips with, though Dundee Slaytern worked patiently with me.... If I were in your shoes, I would re-allocate points to ensure that DEX is maxed out on any character destined to be your tank, even if it means stealing STR points to do it. Your Pally is a good candidate for this, since his high saving throws make him a good tank candidate.

3.) High CON is good; but I don't know if your MC Fighter/Clerics will be given the advantage of the extra HP/clvl that this should give to a Fighter. Watch closely what happens to HP when the Fighter in your MC character levels. Make sure you are getting the HP bonus due to high CON. If not, then it might be better to make at least one of these guys a human DC Fighter-->Cleric in order to get the Fighter's benefit of the CON bonus to HP.

4.) Your Bard does not have anything at 18. Whatever the prime req for a Bard is, it should be maxed.

5.) Thieving skills are essential to the party; but a Thief sucks up a lot of expo without giving much back in the later game. I would suggest DC or MC the Thief with a Fighter (preferably, since you have the Bard, who is a spellcaster and who also leverages Fighters) or a Mage.

These are just tweaks I would make, for my own personal preferences. Your party looks set to rock as it is. I like the idea of 2 cleric Fighters PLUS a Pally: An enemy would have to take down your entire front line in order for you to lose the ability to heal. Please continue to let us know how you fare.

What's a party,
without a song?
Bard's ROCK!
Party on!!

11-06-2003, 07:30 AM	#2
moiraine sedai Zhentarim Guard Join Date: January 25, 2003 Location: Tar Valon Age: 39 Posts: 335	Two fighter/clerics...? I never tried it... Could be fun... Keep us posted on how they do. The stats seem pretty good. The bard might need rerolling, but not if it is eventually going to just sit around singing war chant of the sith. Just my thoughts... Moiraine Sedai __________________ ~The wheel weaves as the wheel wills~

11-06-2003, 11:31 AM	#6
ZFR Legion Symbol Join Date: February 14, 2002 Location: Ireland Age: 39 Posts: 7,367	For the bard, dont lower strength below 12 because you will have trouble with her weight capacity later (bards can wear chainmail). IMO lower charisma since you have a paladin with CHA 18. also consider lowering CON and WIS and raise dexterity to the max, to benefit more from pickpocket and ranged weapon THACO. [ 11-06-2003, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: ZFR ] __________________ ZFR

11-07-2003, 01:52 AM	#8
Sonic Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 9, 2003 Location: Amn Age: 34 Posts: 352	I think the 3Is alitle low i hate players that put 3 i can understand 7-10 but not 3!.When i roll a fighter it gets often 18 18 18 12 10 10.A bard can hawe 16 18 16 18 12 17. __________________ Never Underestimate Your Enemy.<br /><br />A Normal Dagger in the right hand\'s is as Dangerous as Crom Faeyr.

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11-06-2003, 12:46 AM	#1
kartetse The Magister Join Date: October 10, 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 54 Posts: 114	After post/chat with NobleNick and others I decided to restart and re-roll and this is the result. Please tell me what you think! (NobleNick - Do you think I need to redo my Bard, or is she OK? I'm unsure if I should have tried for higher stats for her.) (18/99 strength must be good, eh?) Leader: Name: Starts with an K. [img]smile.gif[/img] Male/Human/Paladin str 18/50,dex 15,con 18,int 3(I guide him anyways ),wis 18,cha 18. Sympathetic Tank No1: Name: Glommor Male/Dwarf/Fighter/Cleric str 18/99,dex 17,con 19,int 8,wis 18,cha 3. Sympathetic Tank No2: Name: Triaston Male/Dwarf/Fighter/Cleric str 18/70,dex 17,con 19,int 9,wis 18,cha 10. Sympathetic Thief (yeah - Robin Hood stuff): Name: Slider Female/Halfling/Thief str 17,dex 19,con 18,int 17,wis 7,cha 7. Cook and fires: Name: Kari Female/Human/Invoker specialist mage. str 18,dex 12,con 18,int 18,wis 10,cha 10. Songs en entertainment: Name: Sonet Female/Human/Bard str 14,dex 12,con 12,int 14,wis 13,cha 17. kartetse --------------------- do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

11-06-2003, 08:17 AM	#3
kartetse The Magister Join Date: October 10, 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 54 Posts: 114	Yep - the lady bard has good stats all in all but I could not take any area to the full 18 or equivalent and I'm not sure if that is how its supposed to be and if I should try for better. NobleNick, your insight here would be much appreciated... kartetse --------------------- do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

11-06-2003, 10:13 AM	#4
pritchke Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: September 5, 2001 Location: Calgary, AB Age: 49 Posts: 3,491	Songs en entertainment: Name: Sonet Female/Human/Bard str 14,dex 12,con 12,int 14,wis 13,cha 17. Good Party, but for the Bard it would be nice to have better intelligence. He is not going to do much fighting so lower the strength to 10 to give you 18 intelligence, he does not need wisdom so if you can lower that to put a few points in other stats like Con, and/or dex. She will after all be your only magic user so you should make it easy on yourself for learning the spells. (edit) OK, I see you do have a mage. I would still put int to at least 16, and distrubute points from wisdom and strenght to dex or con. If you are concerned about strength than you may be able to boost that later [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 11-06-2003, 10:25 AM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

11-07-2003, 01:46 AM	#7
kartetse The Magister Join Date: October 10, 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 54 Posts: 114	Thanks, guys! I've rerolled for the bard and she now looks something like this: str 18, dex18, con 18, wis 3, int 18, cha 13. I lost a bit of experience there but I must say I've now played through to Kuldahar in about an hour, discovering areas of the map near the mill which I had missed first time round. This party is really something!! My dual class fighter/clerics take a long while to level but that's OK - I've really kicked some but last night! Cool - thanks inter alia, NobleNick, Pritchke and Lymond! kartetse --------------------- do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo...

11-10-2003, 03:06 AM	#9
kartetse The Magister Join Date: October 10, 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 54 Posts: 114	I can't imagine what the drawback would be if a character has a "3" in a non-essential area? Just a comment on the party in general - they have been going like a hot knife through butter, through the Vale of Shadows and were currently cruising through the Temple (of what God again?)... kartetse --------------------- do da do, kick da goo and stay outta da zoo... [ 11-10-2003, 05:04 AM: Message edited by: kartetse ]

11-10-2003, 11:22 AM	#10
NobleNick Quintesson Join Date: February 5, 2002 Location: Huntsville, AL, USA Age: 63 Posts: 1,045	kartetse, Whoa!! 85, 86, the equivalent of 91, 92.... these are rolls to be proud of! Several notes: 1.) Some have said that your lead character should not be too lacking in INT or WIS, in addition to having CHA maxed out. I don't know. Some of my guys make rocks look like schooled sages. 2.) Every one of your hairy and brutal front line have exceptionally high STR (good!) at the expense of DEX (bad). STR spells, equipment and potions are easier to come by than DEX potions, spells, etc.; and DEX is very important for a tank [tank = character designed to RECEIVE punishment]. This was very hard for me to come to grips with, though Dundee Slaytern worked patiently with me.... If I were in your shoes, I would re-allocate points to ensure that DEX is maxed out on any character destined to be your tank, even if it means stealing STR points to do it. Your Pally is a good candidate for this, since his high saving throws make him a good tank candidate. 3.) High CON is good; but I don't know if your MC Fighter/Clerics will be given the advantage of the extra HP/clvl that this should give to a Fighter. Watch closely what happens to HP when the Fighter in your MC character levels. Make sure you are getting the HP bonus due to high CON. If not, then it might be better to make at least one of these guys a human DC Fighter-->Cleric in order to get the Fighter's benefit of the CON bonus to HP. 4.) Your Bard does not have anything at 18. Whatever the prime req for a Bard is, it should be maxed. 5.) Thieving skills are essential to the party; but a Thief sucks up a lot of expo without giving much back in the later game. I would suggest DC or MC the Thief with a Fighter (preferably, since you have the Bard, who is a spellcaster and who also leverages Fighters) or a Mage. These are just tweaks I would make, for my own personal preferences. Your party looks set to rock as it is. I like the idea of 2 cleric Fighters PLUS a Pally: An enemy would have to take down your entire front line in order for you to lose the ability to heal. Please continue to let us know how you fare. What's a party, without a song? Bard's ROCK! Party on!!

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