Court-Martial for 101st Airborne Soldier

[Night Stalker]

Actuall , no. The UCMJ, while a much more rigid legal system than those of the rest of the nation and states, still adheres to the Constitution. Officers and NCOs can get into trouble for issuing orders that violate a troop's basic rights.

[Grendal]

Originally posted by khazadman: He admitted to his guards that he did it. So they should put him in a concrete room and start tossing in grenades. After several minutes check and see if he is dead. Continue if by some chance he still clings to life. Then leave his body out for the dogs to eat.

it amazes me how many americans are so overly partriotic and are so quick to push their democracy on the rest of the world, they cry out for human rights, freedom of speech and tell the rest of the world how wonderful their constitution is but can still make comments such as this?

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Sir Taliesin: Actually, when you join the military, you give up a lot of those rights guranteed in the Bill of rights and the Constitution.

What rights does one give up or not give up in the military?
Doesn't the military protect the rights of the people of the nation? And they being people of the nation, how could they lose their rights?


Felix

Felix, you give up the right to some basic freedoms and the right to run away from danger. You give up your freedom of speech and may be told what you may or may not discuss and with whom, you give up freedom of association and may be forced to live with and work with people you do not like or respect, you gain the luxury of being ordered to possibly get killed, you gain the freedom tobe ordered to work 80 hour weeks and to go for long periods with no sleep. You may be ordered to receive experimental vacciens, all in all you give up quite a lot to serve your country.

As for that....shouldn't someone lock this thread?

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Faceman: People are fat in admitting something to "their guards" or "their friends" or "the investigating officer" or ... I wait until he admits in court or is convicted in court. That's the way the legal system works and for a good reason that is. After that I totally agree on proper punishment (i.e. life sentence IMHO)

Well let's hope the trial is not tainted. If convicted, I think the article said he could face the death penalty. Is that not the military way, "eye for eye" "death for death"?
From the article, being written from a journalist that is. It is really hard to tell if all of the facts lead to guilty. Especially when a part of the report is talking about a potential second shooter. Who and where is this guy? I would imagine a grenade makes a lot of noise, how could just one person throw what was it three? grenades at differnt locations and not be apprehended quickly? And shoot his weapon also, I would think somebody somewhere should have seen or heard something.

Felix

[Sir Taliesin]

It'd be easy to throw three grenades and then fire off your weapon. Probably most of the camp rushed to defend the perimeter, not realizing the attack came from within. Grenades don't go off when you pull the pin. They only go off when you release the spoon. Once you release the spoon you have about 10 seconds to throw it. The kill radius on a grenade is about 25 meters (if I remember correctly). I figure you could throw three accurately, in about 15 seconds. Then watch for movement and shoot whatever moved. Remember the attack happened in the middle of the night. I'm sure confusion reigned for several minutes.

BTW, the death penalty is handed down far less in the military than in the civilian world in the US. Before the Gulf War, I was stationed at Ft. Bragg prior to going to Saudia Arabia. A reservist was stomped to death by three members of the 10th Mountain Division (they were on a training mission) on a parade ground not far from our barracks. Fortunatly the caught the scumbags. For that, the scumbag leader was given Life at Hard Labor and the others received 30 years at Hard Labor. It was our opinion that they should have all got the death penalty.