06-04-2003, 06:47 AM | #31 | |
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Paladin, if I were to burn a picture of you in front of your face I am not making a statement. As for the flag representing what the US stands for. I still can't grasp that concept. After all the flag represents what YOU wish it to represent. Your thoughts, your pride, your beliefs and your prejudices. Therefore I believe that you, the American people, represent what America stands for. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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06-04-2003, 07:34 AM | #32 | |
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06-04-2003, 07:48 AM | #33 | |
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Just for the record, sign me up for the "I don't like flag burning, but a ban against it is over the top" group. Also sign me up for Attalus' "nose punching" group! [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]
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06-04-2003, 08:53 AM | #34 | |
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Given that the Bin Laden is all but forgotten as we chase Saddam, I guess its time to take it down. It actually seems a shame to destroy it though; its battle scarred look gives it a certain dignity.
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06-04-2003, 09:09 AM | #35 |
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I'm with Atty too, it shouldn't be illegal, just don't do it in front of me. I have some pride in where I'm from, but I don't think that making flag burning illegal will do anything to bolster how I feel about my country. It is a symbol, and as such, it deserves respect, but since respect is earned, maybe some people don't respect it as much as I. That's on them. Ofcourse, freedom of expression is rapidly going out the window any here, so what difference does it make. Nice point on the Nationalism too, I'll bet flag burning was punishable by death in Nazi Germany.
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06-04-2003, 10:04 AM | #36 | |
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I don't think the bill will pass, or if it does the supreme court would shoot it down.
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06-04-2003, 10:57 AM | #37 | |
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06-04-2003, 04:56 PM | #38 | |
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06-05-2003, 06:26 AM | #39 | |
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So, ironically, it is the great number of people in the US like you, who hinge their patriotic feelings to their flag, that ensure that there will always be a certain number of people who feel inclined to express their views or just live out their need to provoke by burning the flag: where there is no taboo, there is no breaking it. Also ironically, because few democratic countries interpret the concept of free speech as broadly as the US, I am rather certain that there exist provisions making "the degradation of national symbols" a criminal offense or at least a misdemeanor in several countries. Only, as there is hardly ever anybody feeling the urge to break them, they are pretty superfluous, unkown and never the cause for a national debate. All of the above notwithstanding, I do think that there are certain other countries where the very strong patriotic/nationalistic sentiments of the population would make it suicidal to burn their national flag in public: one example that immediately comes to mind is Turkey.
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