Took an HOUR and a HALF to install!! - Page 2

TheCrimsomBlade · 08-02-2003, 02:09 PM

Once again windows XP has caused another gamer to go crazy.
I have the exact same sony CD-RW 40x/12x/48x and I had no problem what so ever, why you ask? Because I use windows 98SE on the computer I have all my games loaded in.
When the meat heads at Microsoft designed "XP", they spent so much time and effort making it so that the multi features were for Microsoft games for family fun, then they added business applications on top so that corporations would be interested. They didn't even consider other manufacturers that were using windows 98se to design their software and woulden't be able to play their games on the system with the new "XP".
I wish I could find the two page story that told of the more than 400 bugs that are in "XP". A couple of main things I do remember is that some systems have no troubles at all with windows "XP" as long as they have the 2.4Ghz microprocessor in them but that is still only the units that are configured and use the exact same componets that Microsofts test computers use.
I have a half dozen different computers in my home and Have tried "XP" pro in all of them (the $800.00 version with all the extras). In my business computer it is great and allows me to do everything I could ever want in Business But, I can't even get that computer system to read NWN or the Morrowind CD to load them.
I have another OEM custom built computer that Has exactly the same Mother board and Microprocessor except, I have my sony CD-RW (the one like yours)and a Sony 16xDVD/CD-ROM drive in it. Instead of "XP" I now have windows 98SE for my operating system in it and I never have any troubles except the normal ones that come with every new game befor the patches come out. Both computers have PENT 4/2.4Ghz microprocessors in them and they both have 2/120 GB hard drives, as far as I'm conserned the 98SE system has had less problems all the way around no matter what I do with them.
If I were you,I would remove the "XP" and reload it with windows "98SE" you'll have alot fewer problems.
The other thing you can do is add a second Hard Drive and install windows 98SE on it and have duel operating systems. Then install all your games in the 98se drive, if you need imfo on how to put both operating systems in one computer let me know and I get you the web page with all the instructions.

SpiritWarrior · 08-02-2003, 07:26 PM

I admit XP can be a bitch but it's getting better. If you do use XP make sure to run updates frequently. They really do read those 'Send error reports' and if you are like me and actually send them you'll notice some bugs you reported are soon fixed. I experienced one blue screen bug with NWN's and XP and about 2 weeks later they released an XP patch which actually addressed this.

The current Nvidia drivers for Geforce 2 using XP speed up the framerate. The previous 4X.XX ones did not but this latest driver one works well and gave me an added 20 fps on my other Geforce 2 system.

Granamere · 08-02-2003, 09:01 PM

SpiritWarrior what version of the Nvidia driver are you running? Because the 44.03 was where I and a couple friend had problems with the GeForce2. I could be wrong because it was a few months ago. 44.03 works great with my GeForce3 and 4 cards.

I am an Ex-MS employee and I will just say this and let it drop. 98 has been out for much longer than XP hence why it is much less buggy. Currently I am running XP on some systems and have been rather happy with it. Think about how difficult it is to program an OS for how many different types of hardware. Heck just think of how many different processors it has to support. And as always if you are not happy with what the program does for you do not buy anything more from that company. NWN does support Linux so it is an option. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thanks,
Granamere

[ 08-02-2003, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Granamere ]

SpiritWarrior · 08-02-2003, 09:25 PM

Running with the 44.03 drivers for my Geforce 2. I'd been holding off on upgrading to any 4X.XX drivers due to their rep until a Biomod actually gave me the 'all clear' on them. I did so and it runs so much better, there was defo. an increase in fps, almost felt like my Geforce ti!

[ 08-02-2003, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: SpiritWarrior ]

Granamere · 08-03-2003, 10:34 PM

I will have to update my GeForce2 computer and see how it goes. Thanks!

Granamere

Memnoch · 08-05-2003, 06:09 AM

I've ended up having to call Atari and ask for a replacement disc to be sent out. Apparently a large proportion of the OZ shipment contained defective discs.

I've tried everything - ripping from the disc onto the drive and trying to install from there - there are three files that it can't rip - the language_data.zip (200MB), language_update.zip (30MB) and the setup.psp (9KB) file. And since the installation's buggered itself up I'll have to uninstall NWN and SOU since you can't just uninstall NWN. I've made backups of my userfolders but gee this is annoying!!!

Cloudbringer · 08-05-2003, 08:58 AM

What a pain the backside, Memsie! How long before you get the new disc, did they say? Seems like they should be making an effort to do something nice for the customers who got stuck with the bad dics!

Micah Foehammer · 08-05-2003, 09:40 AM

Talk about a horror story! UGH!

Seems like Atari didn't learn their lesson about cheap cd's from the fiasco during NWN.

You're right Cloudy - Atari SHOULD do something. They won't - but they should.

Memnoch · 08-05-2003, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cloudbringer:
What a pain the backside, Memsie! How long before you get the new disc, did they say? Seems like they should be making an effort to do something nice for the customers who got stuck with the bad dics!

Who friggen knows.

As for Atari, first they tried to blame it on everyone's CD-ROM drives. It was only when EVERYONE started to complain that they admitted it was a bad batch of discs. Typical fingerpointing, avoidance of responsibility, and lack of customer service from Atari - no wonder they went bankrupt earlier on.

I can't even play NWN now btw - not unless I uninstall both, which I just can't be bothered to do at the moment. I'll do it all when they send me my disc.

This is the FIRST game I've bought where the bloke at the shop gave me Atari's number to call to have a replacement disc sent to me in case I had a problem even before I'd bought the game - obviously they'd been taking a lot of stick from unhappy customers. Apparently Atari were unwilling to send THEM the discs (obviously trying to save money on buying CDs.

Oh, and I got my CD Key in a bit of red paper stuck in between the manual.

Unprofessional...

robertthebard · 08-05-2003, 07:57 PM

That's how i got my first cd key, but on the second copy i bought, it was printed in the manual, which really freaked me out, they did something professional, lol. Some of you may remember my post about my server not being accessible, the first email i got back from atari said that i couldn't run my server, and connect to it. lmao, for a second or two, and then got really scared. This is the technical support, and they have no idea how their game even works. We are doomed.

08-02-2003, 02:09 PM	#11
TheCrimsomBlade Lord Ao Join Date: August 25, 2001 Location: Winchester ,Virginia , United States Age: 71 Posts: 2,081	Once again windows XP has caused another gamer to go crazy. I have the exact same sony CD-RW 40x/12x/48x and I had no problem what so ever, why you ask? Because I use windows 98SE on the computer I have all my games loaded in. When the meat heads at Microsoft designed "XP", they spent so much time and effort making it so that the multi features were for Microsoft games for family fun, then they added business applications on top so that corporations would be interested. They didn't even consider other manufacturers that were using windows 98se to design their software and woulden't be able to play their games on the system with the new "XP". I wish I could find the two page story that told of the more than 400 bugs that are in "XP". A couple of main things I do remember is that some systems have no troubles at all with windows "XP" as long as they have the 2.4Ghz microprocessor in them but that is still only the units that are configured and use the exact same componets that Microsofts test computers use. I have a half dozen different computers in my home and Have tried "XP" pro in all of them (the $800.00 version with all the extras). In my business computer it is great and allows me to do everything I could ever want in Business But, I can't even get that computer system to read NWN or the Morrowind CD to load them. I have another OEM custom built computer that Has exactly the same Mother board and Microprocessor except, I have my sony CD-RW (the one like yours)and a Sony 16xDVD/CD-ROM drive in it. Instead of "XP" I now have windows 98SE for my operating system in it and I never have any troubles except the normal ones that come with every new game befor the patches come out. Both computers have PENT 4/2.4Ghz microprocessors in them and they both have 2/120 GB hard drives, as far as I'm conserned the 98SE system has had less problems all the way around no matter what I do with them. If I were you,I would remove the "XP" and reload it with windows "98SE" you'll have alot fewer problems. The other thing you can do is add a second Hard Drive and install windows 98SE on it and have duel operating systems. Then install all your games in the 98se drive, if you need imfo on how to put both operating systems in one computer let me know and I get you the web page with all the instructions. __________________ Remember these are just games so don't get too upset when you get your ass handed to you in a hat box

08-02-2003, 07:26 PM	#12
SpiritWarrior Jack Burton Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 5,854	I admit XP can be a bitch but it's getting better. If you do use XP make sure to run updates frequently. They really do read those 'Send error reports' and if you are like me and actually send them you'll notice some bugs you reported are soon fixed. I experienced one blue screen bug with NWN's and XP and about 2 weeks later they released an XP patch which actually addressed this. The current Nvidia drivers for Geforce 2 using XP speed up the framerate. The previous 4X.XX ones did not but this latest driver one works well and gave me an added 20 fps on my other Geforce 2 system. __________________ Still I feel like a child when I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon...

08-02-2003, 09:25 PM	#14
SpiritWarrior Jack Burton Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 5,854	Running with the 44.03 drivers for my Geforce 2. I'd been holding off on upgrading to any 4X.XX drivers due to their rep until a Biomod actually gave me the 'all clear' on them. I did so and it runs so much better, there was defo. an increase in fps, almost felt like my Geforce ti! [ 08-02-2003, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: SpiritWarrior ] __________________ Still I feel like a child when I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon...

08-05-2003, 06:09 AM	#16
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	I've ended up having to call Atari and ask for a replacement disc to be sent out. Apparently a large proportion of the OZ shipment contained defective discs. I've tried everything - ripping from the disc onto the drive and trying to install from there - there are three files that it can't rip - the language_data.zip (200MB), language_update.zip (30MB) and the setup.psp (9KB) file. And since the installation's buggered itself up I'll have to uninstall NWN and SOU since you can't just uninstall NWN. I've made backups of my userfolders but gee this is annoying!!! __________________

08-05-2003, 08:58 AM	#17
Cloudbringer Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Upstate NY USA Posts: 19,737	What a pain the backside, Memsie! How long before you get the new disc, did they say? Seems like they should be making an effort to do something nice for the customers who got stuck with the bad dics! __________________ "Don't take life for granted." Animal (may he rest in peace)

08-02-2003, 09:01 PM	#13
Granamere Zhentarim Guard Join Date: May 27, 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC USA Age: 51 Posts: 372	SpiritWarrior what version of the Nvidia driver are you running? Because the 44.03 was where I and a couple friend had problems with the GeForce2. I could be wrong because it was a few months ago. 44.03 works great with my GeForce3 and 4 cards. I am an Ex-MS employee and I will just say this and let it drop. 98 has been out for much longer than XP hence why it is much less buggy. Currently I am running XP on some systems and have been rather happy with it. Think about how difficult it is to program an OS for how many different types of hardware. Heck just think of how many different processors it has to support. And as always if you are not happy with what the program does for you do not buy anything more from that company. NWN does support Linux so it is an option. [img]smile.gif[/img] Thanks, Granamere [ 08-02-2003, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Granamere ]

08-03-2003, 10:34 PM	#15
Granamere Zhentarim Guard Join Date: May 27, 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC USA Age: 51 Posts: 372	I will have to update my GeForce2 computer and see how it goes. Thanks! Granamere

08-05-2003, 09:40 AM	#18
Micah Foehammer Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: November 15, 2001 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 3,253	Talk about a horror story! UGH! Seems like Atari didn't learn their lesson about cheap cd's from the fiasco during NWN. You're right Cloudy - Atari SHOULD do something. They won't - but they should. __________________ “Every tavern’s an opportunity, I say.”

08-05-2003, 07:57 PM	#20
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 60 Posts: 4,537	That's how i got my first cd key, but on the second copy i bought, it was printed in the manual, which really freaked me out, they did something professional, lol. Some of you may remember my post about my server not being accessible, the first email i got back from atari said that i couldn't run my server, and connect to it. lmao, for a second or two, and then got really scared. This is the technical support, and they have no idea how their game even works. We are doomed. __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Good Music: Here. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

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