I'm expecting a call from the police...

[Moridin]

Well said LoA!

I too agree with what GP does, but they are going about it all wrong Instead of attaching themselves to trees and pulling their boats in front of whaling vessels and navy frigates, they should be lobbying congress and confronting big business.

I don't think they get the fact that a CEO sitting in a nice cushy office somewhere, and calls ALL the shots, really gives a crap if they sit in a tree. He/she would however care if his/her email and inbox are full of mail everyday!

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[kiwidoc]

Members of Green Peace put their lives on the line - and I know people who have been killed standing up for their beliefs. Indonesian, Philipino and Russian jails suck - but that doesnt GreenPeace from protesting their fishing vessels in the Pacific.

The way Green Peace works is to raise the awareness of ordinary people so that they in turn will lobby CEOs and senators. This is far more powerful than a handful of protestors lobbying by themselves.

Almost certainly the reason they dont protest in Mexico is because the companies that produce the pollution are owned by multinationals and the decisions are not made in Mexico. Protesting in Mexico will acheive nothing as the Mexican paople themsleves have very little power to change things so what can be achieved by raising their awareness?

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[Fljotsdale]

They've been arrested, but I haven't had a call yet, so can't stay. No - not the Tigger! She was one of the ones in the containers bolted to the exit roads. There were 41/42 arrested. Not too sure of the issue, actually - but I figure it was something to do with Kyoto... I could be wrong on this. I'm only her mother...
Thanks for the support! I'll tell her when I hear from her...
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[Lady Avalon]

Best of luck to your daughter Fljotsdale.

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[Lord of Alcohol]

Kiwi, you think my post was flaming????? I have most certainly flamed a person or two but I hardly call my post flaming. Greenpeace is a semi-organised group of individual cells where one hand doesnt know what the other is doing. Semi-organised chaos with eccentric and dubious guidance. If they stuck with important issues then I would have no problem. BTW I believe in nuclear power, kill me for that too.
As for Mexico, do you really think we own every corporation in Mexico? Hardly, the UK is just as prevalent as we are. My point was Greenpeace only goes where it is safe, send them to Africa, see when they come home

[MILAMBER]

I hope your daughter comes out of this ok.

I really don't know what I'm talking about, but all you people from England seem to have a lot of protests. Any particular reason? It's not like we don't have them out here, but it seems to happen much less frequently.

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[adam warlock]

lotsa luck!!!

[Fljotsdale]

Damn! Damn! Damn! Someone phoned while I was on-line but there is no response when I try to call back. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

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[Grand-Ranger]

Hehe, not really into polotical stuff. I see all kina stuff wrong in big things like this, including GreenPeace and Big Goverment.

Like for instance Absynthe said stand up for what you belive in LoA dose jsut that, standing up for his belive in GreenPeace doing somthing wrong. And you jump all over him.

That is only one of the many here.

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[Fljotsdale]

Found out the phone call was from Victoria Station, so phoned a friend of hers in Brighton (where she lives) to see what he knew, and she had phoned him from there - she was free and on her way home. At least the police didn't keep them more than a few hours...

LoA - I think you will find Greenpeace are better organised than you think, small 'cells' or not. My daughter has being doing voluntary stuff for them for about 18mths, though this is her first 'activist' role. She is a very efficient person herself and respects the efficiency of the organisation. I think I can safely assure you that their left hand DOES know what the right is doing!
It is not a matter of choosing comfortable prisons - their activists put up with a great deal of personal discomfort/danger at times in order to let people know what certain Governments and organisations are doing to their own profit and the detriment of the world we all live in. Personally I admire their dedication. I'm with Friends of the Earth, myself, though I only send out letters...

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