Kol the Heretic (sp?) is Immortal?

So So · 08-18-2003, 12:45 PM

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I recently restarted my W&W game and I'm traveling the world this time around in order to kill as many NPC's as I possibly can...But when I reached Erathsmedor right before getting the Mavin Blade...I think I experienced a bug in which Erathsmedor did not kill the ever annoying Kol the Heretic. After dealing him many Giant Strikes his health bar does not deplete! Is he immortal at this point in the game?

Bungleau · 08-18-2003, 01:39 PM

Hmmm... that's an interesting question. Did you kill Kol the first or second time you saw him? Or both? That might throw something strange into the script. Did you try to kill him before Erathsmedor could? That might throw the script into a loop as well.

Might it also be that Kol was turned to stone? When something is turned to stone, nothing else affects it. Happened to me on one of the cutest little monkey statues that's currently up on the fireplace mantle...

Aside from that, I haven't heard of it happening before. Keep us posted...

bsftcs · 08-18-2003, 01:49 PM

As far as I know he is always immortal. I have tried attacking him both outside the Serpent Temple and in the tunnels below the Dragon Spire. None of the places did he take any damage.
One cannot hurt characters like the spirit of Xydusa, Gezzered Ra (both encounters included), and Signeur Pastollio either. I believe this is simply because they play a key role in the game and cannot be missed.

So So · 08-18-2003, 03:12 PM

The time it happened to me is when I tried to attack him before Erathsmedor could...But now that I know he's always immortal...it is going to ruin a lot of fun...

But I have heard that Gezzered Ra is ranked third highest in the Experience given category...So is it possible to kill him?

[ 08-18-2003, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: So So ]

WillowIX · 08-18-2003, 04:34 PM

Yes there's a spoiler in this post as well.

Well it wouldn't be a huge surprise if Kol is immortal prior to the Erathsmedor encounter. After all he is a huge trigger in that scene. Can you turn him into stone? If you can try it and see what happens when you get to the spire. I bet you still meet him there.

Radek · 08-19-2003, 03:55 AM

I tried to kill Kol as well - when he and Erathsmedor lost their scripts and gazed upon me silently without taking any action

Kol is cheating. You will read messages like "Kol the Heretic hit for 133 hit points" again and again but Kol will not lose even a single hitpoint.
Another cheater is Kerah at Cet. When you fight her, you will be able to reduce her number of hitpoints to some limit but you'll be unable to reduce her hitpoints any more. Kerah will lose no hitpoints below her limit. And again, you will see messages "Kerah hit for 156 hitpoints" and so on - but without the corresponding effect.
Nevertheless, has anybody tried to attack "immortal beings" like Kerah, Nivius and similar ones by enchanted Mavin Sword? Ket us note that, for example, Anephas at Cet is immune to any weapon but he can be killed by enchanted Mavin Sword or enchanted Staff of Death

moiraine sedai · 08-19-2003, 06:29 AM

Could this 'immortality' be the result of not encountering him (eg, him not talking to you, you not talking to him) out the front of the Serpent Temple? Maybe he appears to be in the Dragon Spire but is actually still waiting at the temple.

Did he say everything he said to say last time you saw him in the split passages in the Spire?

Just some ideas....

Moiraine Sedai

So So · 08-19-2003, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Radek:
I tried to kill Kol as well - when he and Erathsmedor lost their scripts and gazed upon me silently without taking any action

This is the exact thing that happed to me...I Giantstriked him multiple times dealing about the average 140ish damage, but his health bar did not move a bit...Oh well, I guess all that's there's left to do is to kill Erathsmedor the jolly green dragon...Sorry Wyv! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

LiOnHe@rT · 08-19-2003, 12:23 PM

so wat u are trying to say is that if u try and attack Kol before he is attacked by any other NPCs, he will not get "damaged" even though they say "Kol loses blah blah blah hitpoints"? btw, how much exp does Kol give after u kill him each round?

Felix The Assassin · 08-19-2003, 12:26 PM

Yes he is immortal! Even at his final encounter you cannot put damage on him. Stone will not work either.

Gezzard Ra, 3rd in XP? Not sure about all that. He can be killed, but one must know when and how to do it.

Felix

08-18-2003, 12:45 PM	#1
So So Zhentarim Guard Join Date: June 3, 2002 Location: 9th level of Hell... Age: 36 Posts: 348	Spoiler? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I recently restarted my W&W game and I'm traveling the world this time around in order to kill as many NPC's as I possibly can...But when I reached Erathsmedor right before getting the Mavin Blade...I think I experienced a bug in which Erathsmedor did not kill the ever annoying Kol the Heretic. After dealing him many Giant Strikes his health bar does not deplete! Is he immortal at this point in the game? __________________ \"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.\"

08-18-2003, 01:39 PM	#2
Bungleau 40th Level Warrior Join Date: October 29, 2001 Location: Western Wilds of Michigan Posts: 11,752	Hmmm... that's an interesting question. Did you kill Kol the first or second time you saw him? Or both? That might throw something strange into the script. Did you try to kill him before Erathsmedor could? That might throw the script into a loop as well. Might it also be that Kol was turned to stone? When something is turned to stone, nothing else affects it. Happened to me on one of the cutest little monkey statues that's currently up on the fireplace mantle... Aside from that, I haven't heard of it happening before. Keep us posted... __________________ B Save Early, Save Often Save Before, Save After Two-Star General, Spelling Soldiers -+-+-+ Give 'em a hug one more time. It might be the last.

08-18-2003, 01:49 PM	#3
bsftcs Red Dragon Join Date: January 23, 2003 Location: Denmark Age: 45 Posts: 1,577	As far as I know he is always immortal. I have tried attacking him both outside the Serpent Temple and in the tunnels below the Dragon Spire. None of the places did he take any damage. One cannot hurt characters like the spirit of Xydusa, Gezzered Ra (both encounters included), and Signeur Pastollio either. I believe this is simply because they play a key role in the game and cannot be missed. __________________ Moderation is good so long as it is not exaggerated!

08-18-2003, 03:12 PM	#4
So So Zhentarim Guard Join Date: June 3, 2002 Location: 9th level of Hell... Age: 36 Posts: 348	The time it happened to me is when I tried to attack him before Erathsmedor could...But now that I know he's always immortal...it is going to ruin a lot of fun... But I have heard that Gezzered Ra is ranked third highest in the Experience given category...So is it possible to kill him? [ 08-18-2003, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: So So ] __________________ \"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.\"

08-19-2003, 03:55 AM	#6
Radek Red Dragon Join Date: April 3, 2001 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 1,586	I tried to kill Kol as well - when he and Erathsmedor lost their scripts and gazed upon me silently without taking any action Kol is cheating. You will read messages like "Kol the Heretic hit for 133 hit points" again and again but Kol will not lose even a single hitpoint. Another cheater is Kerah at Cet. When you fight her, you will be able to reduce her number of hitpoints to some limit but you'll be unable to reduce her hitpoints any more. Kerah will lose no hitpoints below her limit. And again, you will see messages "Kerah hit for 156 hitpoints" and so on - but without the corresponding effect. Nevertheless, has anybody tried to attack "immortal beings" like Kerah, Nivius and similar ones by enchanted Mavin Sword? Ket us note that, for example, Anephas at Cet is immune to any weapon but he can be killed by enchanted Mavin Sword or enchanted Staff of Death __________________ My name is Demon\'s Last Day. Yes, the last one.

08-18-2003, 04:34 PM	#5
WillowIX Apophis Join Date: July 10, 2001 Location: By a big blue lake, Canada Age: 50 Posts: 4,628	Yes there's a spoiler in this post as well. Well it wouldn't be a huge surprise if Kol is immortal prior to the Erathsmedor encounter. After all he is a huge trigger in that scene. Can you turn him into stone? If you can try it and see what happens when you get to the spire. I bet you still meet him there.

08-19-2003, 06:29 AM	#7
moiraine sedai Zhentarim Guard Join Date: January 25, 2003 Location: Tar Valon Age: 39 Posts: 335	Could this 'immortality' be the result of not encountering him (eg, him not talking to you, you not talking to him) out the front of the Serpent Temple? Maybe he appears to be in the Dragon Spire but is actually still waiting at the temple. Did he say everything he said to say last time you saw him in the split passages in the Spire? Just some ideas.... Moiraine Sedai __________________ ~The wheel weaves as the wheel wills~

08-19-2003, 12:23 PM	#9
LiOnHe@rT Baaz Draconian Join Date: August 6, 2002 Location: Singapore, youngest ever!!! Age: 35 Posts: 731	so wat u are trying to say is that if u try and attack Kol before he is attacked by any other NPCs, he will not get "damaged" even though they say "Kol loses blah blah blah hitpoints"? btw, how much exp does Kol give after u kill him each round? __________________ <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[knight]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/knight.gif\" /> I am the Glacial Knight and will purge thy evil! (though this knight doesnt look so icicle...)

08-19-2003, 12:26 PM	#10
Felix The Assassin The Dreadnoks Join Date: September 27, 2001 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 61 Posts: 3,608	Yes he is immortal! Even at his final encounter you cannot put damage on him. Stone will not work either. Gezzard Ra, 3rd in XP? Not sure about all that. He can be killed, but one must know when and how to do it. Felix __________________ The Lizzie Palmer Tribute Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty. John F. Kennedy 35th President of The United States The Last Shot Honor The Fallen Jesus died for our sins, and American Soldiers died for our freedom. If you don't stand behind our Soldiers, please feel free to stand in front of them.

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