02-16-2008, 04:38 AM | #11 |
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Re: Police find no motive for Illinois campus shooting
Well it's not a new trend it's been going on for decades in the USA.
If only they would arm every USA school kids from 3 years old upwards with ak47's all these killings would stop. And if they did not stop the shootings then maybe we should give them grenades as well.
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02-16-2008, 06:20 AM | #12 |
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Re: Police find no motive for Illinois campus shooting
You think by arming everybody, the shooting would stop...?
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02-16-2008, 07:09 AM | #13 | |
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Re: Police find no motive for Illinois campus shooting
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But it's our g-dam con sti tu shonal rights to bear arms! if anybody in the class was to draw a weapon from their bag the class could all shoot him! ok so a few kids would get killed pulling out an MP3 player but hey it could have been an M16!
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02-16-2008, 07:11 AM | #14 |
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Re: Police find no motive for Illinois campus shooting
I gather that's the general belief of the pro-gun side in the firearms debate, yes. If it doesn't prevent a shooting it's a way to stop it in its tracks and all that stuff. Not that that needs elaborate discussion in this thread, if you ask me.
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02-16-2008, 03:09 PM | #15 |
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Re: Police find no motive for Illinois campus shooting
Everyone is already armed...otherwise how would these kids get guns so easily?
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02-16-2008, 04:09 PM | #16 |
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Re: Police find no motive for Illinois campus shooting
Even nut jobs with no connection to schools do their shooting, there, and churches. Why? Because nobody is armed. Ever hear of anybody shooting up a gun convention or a police function?
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02-16-2008, 04:34 PM | #17 |
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Re: Police find no motive for Illinois campus shooting
Ever heard of a kid shooting without a gun?
Edit: if I wanted to get a gun here in Europe, it'd be a pretty hard thing, even being 22 and without a prior criminal conviction...in the US it seems that it's just a question of taking the parents' gun from a non-securely locked drawer or buying a gun from a local dealer...
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02-16-2008, 04:50 PM | #18 |
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Re: Police find no motive for Illinois campus shooting
For the record (and before I get lynched by the pro-gun crowds...)
-I don't have a problem with people having guns as long as they can responsibly keep them away from those who shouldn't have them. -If they can't responsibly do that, then by owning guns they are putting innocent lives at risk.
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02-16-2008, 06:00 PM | #19 |
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Re: Police find no motive for Illinois campus shooting
The old gun debate aye...
If there's one thing I've learned it is that gun ownership is a bad thing depending on the culture. If it's a culture that has had gun ownership for years then it is generally a bad thing to take them away. On the other hand, it would be bad for a no gun ownership country to suddenly allow guns. It all depends on the history and culture around guns that the country in question has. As such, I think it's a generally acceptable idea in the US (if only to not give criminals the upper hand suddenly!), but not in Europe.
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02-16-2008, 06:07 PM | #20 |
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Re: Police find no motive for Illinois campus shooting
Yeah, growing up in a country where guns were outlawed and only accessible by law enforcement (even the police don't carry guns on a daily basis), I always saw it as a major flaw for a country to allow arms to be purchased in shops. Indeed, I stared in disbelief the first time I saw a gunshop in the USA. The cops never had a problem with their lack of firearms because most criminals they come across don't have them either. There are exceptions where someone will get an imported weapon, but the law have access to them if need be. Since I amn't used to it, even seeing an american cop walk by me unnerved me because he had a gun on his belt and walked around like it was nothing.
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