Enchanter or Diviner?

Stealth Expert · 02-28-2005, 07:26 PM

i wanna make and elf mage but dont know which if to pick enchie or devie is there anyone or anyplace where i can find out what spells each class cannot scribe?

Brainless One · 02-28-2005, 08:23 PM

Enchanters: Cannot cast invocation/evocation spells like Magic Missile, Fireball, mostly offensive energy types. They must have at least a 9 in intelligence and a 16 in charisma.

Diviners: Cannot cast summoning/conjuration spells like Summon Monster and Melf's Acid Arrow. They must have a 9 in intelligence and a 16 in wisdom.

Does that help? Or did you mean a list of every single spell they can't cast? Check the back of your manual if you have one, and then look for spells that are the abovementioned types.
-Brainless One

Pirengle · 02-28-2005, 09:32 PM

If you have to pick between the two, be a Diviner. The only thing you'll miss out on are summons and that can easily be fixed with some beefy fighter NPCs or scrolls and wands of monster summoning. (BG1, unlike BG2, still lets specialty wizards use scrolls and wands of their prohibited school--they just can't memorize those spells.)

Brayf · 03-02-2005, 10:27 AM

Yep, I'd definitely go with Diviner, although to be honest you couldn't be choosing between two mage types I like less

But not having evocation spells is awful, practically makes you feel lame.

pritchke · 03-02-2005, 01:42 PM

In BG1 Diviners are nice, I don't miss Summon Monster at all. Really all you need is a trusty Fireball and a Diviner is just fine for that.

[ 03-02-2005, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

SixOfSpades · 03-02-2005, 06:28 PM

TSR and Wizards of the Coast really screwed up with the Mage kits; instead of classifying them by what they like to do, they judge them by what they can't do. Makes no sense at all.

Anyway. The link in my sig will take you to a very thorough guide to the game. 98.7% Spoiler-Free. Appendix 1 is full of Tables, including a list of all the Wizard spells in the game, organized by spell school. Gosh. How handy.

I, personally, would lean toward Enchanters in BG1, simply because so many of the spells you can't cast are available in Wand form.

Link · 03-03-2005, 03:21 PM

Wizards of the Coast and TSR messed up in more things than just the Mage kits, Six

Brayf · 03-05-2005, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
I, personally, would lean toward Enchanters in BG1, simply because so many of the spells you can't cast are available in Wand form.

Yeah, I think that's actually inarguably true unless you have an issue with limited use items, like myself

Stealth Expert · 03-14-2005, 12:30 AM

nice, thanks for all the info guys, i seriously had no clue what was the difference between the 2 of them because i never really played a mage before.

02-28-2005, 07:26 PM	#1
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02-28-2005, 09:32 PM	#3
Pirengle Symbol of Cyric Join Date: April 20, 2003 Location: Sarasota, Florida, USA Age: 41 Posts: 1,101	If you have to pick between the two, be a Diviner. The only thing you'll miss out on are summons and that can easily be fixed with some beefy fighter NPCs or scrolls and wands of monster summoning. (BG1, unlike BG2, still lets specialty wizards use scrolls and wands of their prohibited school--they just can't memorize those spells.) __________________ [img]\"http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/pirengle/quintesson.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

03-02-2005, 06:28 PM	#6
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 46 Posts: 6,901	TSR and Wizards of the Coast really screwed up with the Mage kits; instead of classifying them by what they like to do, they judge them by what they can't do. Makes no sense at all. Anyway. The link in my sig will take you to a very thorough guide to the game. 98.7% Spoiler-Free. Appendix 1 is full of Tables, including a list of all the Wizard spells in the game, organized by spell school. Gosh. How handy. I, personally, would lean toward Enchanters in BG1, simply because so many of the spells you can't cast are available in Wand form. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

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Link Jack Burton Join Date: May 15, 2001 Location: The Netherlands Age: 39 Posts: 5,888	Wizards of the Coast and TSR messed up in more things than just the Mage kits, Six __________________ Rowing is not a sport, it's a way of life Goal: Beijing 2008

03-14-2005, 12:30 AM	#9
Stealth Expert Dungeon Master Join Date: January 27, 2005 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 83	nice, thanks for all the info guys, i seriously had no clue what was the difference between the 2 of them because i never really played a mage before. __________________ [img]\"http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/BryanGuitarDude/SIG%20PICS/pspspinning9ok.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

02-28-2005, 08:23 PM	#2
Brainless One Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 24, 2002 Location: Arm's length from my monitor. Age: 34 Posts: 367	Enchanters: Cannot cast invocation/evocation spells like Magic Missile, Fireball, mostly offensive energy types. They must have at least a 9 in intelligence and a 16 in charisma. Diviners: Cannot cast summoning/conjuration spells like Summon Monster and Melf's Acid Arrow. They must have a 9 in intelligence and a 16 in wisdom. Does that help? Or did you mean a list of every single spell they can't cast? Check the back of your manual if you have one, and then look for spells that are the abovementioned types. -Brainless One

03-02-2005, 10:27 AM	#4
Brayf Zhentarim Guard Join Date: February 21, 2005 Location: Candlekeep Age: 37 Posts: 372	Yep, I'd definitely go with Diviner, although to be honest you couldn't be choosing between two mage types I like less But not having evocation spells is awful, practically makes you feel lame.

03-02-2005, 01:42 PM	#5
pritchke Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: September 5, 2001 Location: Calgary, AB Age: 49 Posts: 3,491	In BG1 Diviners are nice, I don't miss Summon Monster at all. Really all you need is a trusty Fireball and a Diviner is just fine for that. [ 03-02-2005, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

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