03-16-2005, 08:29 AM | #21 | |
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That is rather mean, don't ya think?
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03-16-2005, 08:30 AM | #22 |
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Not blaming, I would say. Speculating about the possible causes of missing the pneumonia. There's a big difference between the two things, Larry.
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Well, I found a little more information about what happened. Notice that it says they tried three different hospitals, and the third one was the one that got it right.
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And then this website adds that a staph infection was what contributed to some of the problem. Where they get that, I don't know, and since they are the only ones that are saying it, I don't know if they are worthy of trust, but there it is. http://www.einsiders.com/features/co...obituaries.php
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03-16-2005, 05:19 PM | #24 |
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I think it's fair to say that nobody here knows the situation well enough to make a fair assessment.
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That is rather mean, don't ya think? [/QUOTE]You've got to be kidding?! Is that how you operate, blaming people who abuse drugs for their problems? That is rather mean, don't ya think? Quote:
That is hardly blaming her. You know I've talked quite a bit about the circumstances which took this woman's life to various friends of mine (some of whom are medical professionals) and not one could come up with any scenario other than abuse of herion or morphine that could have constituted her being left untreated, not even ignorance (she wasn't even x-rayed? That's a fairly standard procedure for ER's). Then top it off with her family not pursuing litigation for improper treatment - yes it is speculation and yes, no one here really knows this situation well enough to make a fair assessment but a couple of dozen well and highly educated people in my circle of friends and associates concur - it probably was a drug addiction or prior known instances of drug abuse (specifically herion or morphine, both relatively standard recreational drugs in L.A.) that ended up costing her the attention she needed to save her life (it could even be what made her sick to begin with). That hardly makes her at fault for negligence on the part of medical personnel though! [ 03-22-2005, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Violet ]
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03-22-2005, 04:37 PM | #26 | |
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That is rather mean, don't ya think? [/QUOTE]You've got to be kidding?! Is that how you operate, blaming people who abuse drugs for their problems? That is rather mean, don't ya think?[/QUOTE] Except for the rare cases where druggies were forced into addiction (a rare case) it is their choice and they should be held accountable for that choice, so yes, I do blame them for their addiction. The few cases I've heard where it wasn't a personal choice was in afganistan where militia fighters were captured, drugged with heroine and forced to fight against friends and former allies if they wanted more (which of course due to addiction, they did). I know there are other less extreme cases, but in nearly all situations drug abuse is a personal choice, just like smoking, drinking, gambling, etc etc. |
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03-22-2005, 05:47 PM | #27 |
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Violet, I do not understand your response to me and cannot respond in-kind.
Did Morgie answer the question for me? Sorry; not being rude...I just need elaboration. Maybe I should not read IW posts until after I have had dinner! Lol! |
03-22-2005, 09:59 PM | #28 |
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IF she was an actual addict, yes, for that she and only she can hold any blame. After all, in this country, and in L.A. in particular people aren't forced to do drugs they choose to, usually being completely aware of the potential consequences.
If she suffered neglect from medical professionals because her symptoms were mistaken for symptoms of drug addiction, she is NOT at fault, whether she used or not. I feel that she was subject to gross neglect even if drug abuse is what led to her illness. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Ah, okay. I think I agree with that statement.
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ditto
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