War.

Yorick · 10-08-2001, 04:19 AM

The United States and Great Britain with the backing of an international community that includes China, Russia, Japan, Germany, France, Australia, Egypt and Italy, bombed military airbases, terrorist training camps and power centres.
They did so after 28 days of warnings, diplomatic pressure and military buildups to show that the coalition meant business.

They did not send suicide pilots careering into large civilian structures without warning, killing thousands and disabling downtown Kabul for the next year.

They did however send food and medicinal supplies immediately after the attacks on the Taliban, to the Afgahn people.

This is not WW3. America, Britain and a repressive Wahabi extremist group do not constitute the whole world.

Bear in mind also, that WW2 was in part caused by a failure of the policy of appeasement regarding Hitlers aquisitions of Czechoslovakia and Austria. The attitude of "avoid war at all costs" in part caused the worst war the world has seen.

I find it increasingly annoying that there are loud shouts against preventative force, and arguments equating this preventative force with "vengance" and "retaliation". No alternative to preventative force is put forward however. Diplomacy? Diplomacy on this matter has been attempted since 1993 and has FAILED.

Have these detractors tried the three hour drive into Manhattan from Long Island? Have they been stuck at a border for two hours? Have they been stopped on highways or rerouted from the Hoover dam for example?

America is a fortress at the moment. Protected by people. These people must be paid. The fear resultant from the terrorist attacks is creating a recession. Who will then pay for the manned fortress?

Protection from the snake cannot go on forever. The snake must be beheaded if it is to die. Osama must go. If the Taliban shelter him, they too must go.

A persons inaction when one can prevent murder, creates guilt equal to that of the murderer themself. The government of the United States has an obligation to act and protect it's citizens. That is part of it's job.

If one is going to decry violence then decry Wahabism and it's bloodstained past against even Islamics in Saudi Arabia! Decry the coward who hides in a rathole and orders followers to suicidal death. Decry the mothers who give glory to their adolescant sons strapping bombs to their chest and blowing themselves up.

Decry hate and ignorance that turns a religion of peace into one of hate and war.

But do not decry governments from excercising their right to protect their people from the most cowardly form of war, murder and vandalism.

Terrorism. Let us eradicate the concept from human experience.

------------------
I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on....

A fair dinkum laughing Hyena!

[This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 10-08-2001).]

Liliara · 10-08-2001, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yorick:
The United States and Great Britain with the backing of an international community that includes China, Russia, Japan, Germany, France, Australia, Egypt and Italy, bombed military airbases, terrorist training camps and power centres.
They did so after 28 days of warnings, diplomatic pressure and military buildups to show that the coalition meant business.

They did not send suicide pilots careering into large civilian structures without warning, killing thousands and disabling downtown Kabul for the next year.

They did however send food and medicinal supplies immediately after the attacks on the Taliban, to the Afgahn people.

This is not WW3. America, Britain and a repressive Wahabi extremist group do not constitute the whole world.

Bear in mind also, that WW2 was in part caused by a failure of the policy of appeasement regarding Hitlers aquisitions of Czechoslovakia and Austria. The attitude of "avoid war at all costs" in part caused the worst war the world has seen.

I find it increasingly annoying that there are loud shouts against preventative force, and arguments equating this preventative force with "vengance" and "retaliation". No alternative to preventative force is put forward however. Diplomacy? Diplomacy on this matter has been attempted since 1993 and has FAILED.

Have these detractors tried the three hour drive into Manhattan from Long Island? Have they been stuck at a border for two hours? Have they been stopped on highways or rerouted from the Hoover dam for example?

America is a fortress at the moment. Protected by people. These people must be paid. The fear resultant from the terrorist attacks is creating a recession. Who will then pay for the manned fortress?

Protection from the snake cannot go on forever. The snake must be beheaded if it is to die. Osama must go. If the Taliban shelter him, they too must go.

A persons inaction when one can prevent murder, creates guilt equal to that of the murderer themself. The governement of the United States has an obligation to act and protect it's citizens. That is part of it's job.

If one is going to decry violence then decry Wahabism and it's bloodstained past against even Islamics in Saudi Arabia! Decry the coward who hides in a rathole and orders followers to suicidal death. Decry the mothers who give glory to their adolescant sons strapping bombs to their chest and blowing themselves up.

Decry hate and ignorance that turns a religion of peace into one of hate and war.

But do not decry governments from excercising their right to protect their people from the most cowardly form of war, murder and vandalism.

Terrorism. Let us eradicate the concept from human experience.

WOW!!!!!!!!

Did I mention how much I have REALLY missed you?

------------------

Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar

LH Member

And you never did think that it ever would happen again, in America did you? And you never did think that we'd ever get together again, but we damn sure fooled ya. We're walkin' real proud and we're talkin' real loud again, in America. And you never did think that it ever would happen again.... (Charlie Daniels)

Cloudbringer · 10-08-2001, 04:36 AM

Replied in the other thread, Yorick! But I am glad to see you got back to your computer! Nicely stated!

Welcome back Bard o' mine, you really have been missed! Somewhere there's a thread looking for you!

Cloudy

------------------

Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan
CloudDragon of the OHF
Storm-Queen
Raven's Cloud
StormCloud of the Black Knight: Heart Mind Soul Forever
"To sleep, perchance to dream..."

Yorick · 10-08-2001, 04:36 AM

------------------
I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on....

A fair dinkum laughing Hyena!

WOLFGIR · 10-08-2001, 04:41 AM

Welcome back YOrrick! YOu do make your returning here in fashion as always!

Good stated Yorrick!

Glad to see you back here! Have missed your mindbending discussions and topics!!! (And yes, I mean that in a very positive way!

)

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL!!!

------------------

Howling to the moon, cause this world seems so far away..
Wolfgirs lair
once-upon-a-paper

Cloudbringer · 10-08-2001, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WOLFGIR:
Welcome back YOrrick! YOu do make your returning here in fashion as always!

Good stated Yorrick!

Glad to see you back here! Have missed your mindbending discussions and topics!!! (And yes, I mean that in a very positive way! )

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL!!!

Hey Wolfie! LOL you are right, "mindbending".. good adjective for Yorick's works sometimes!

This one is well organized as always!

Cloudy

------------------

Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan
CloudDragon of the OHF
Storm-Queen
Raven's Cloud
StormCloud of the Black Knight: Heart Mind Soul Forever
"To sleep, perchance to dream..."

Yorick · 10-08-2001, 05:09 AM

------------------
I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on....

A fair dinkum laughing Hyena!

Nachtrafe · 10-08-2001, 05:30 AM

Welcome back Yorick! How ya holding up?

Excellent post. Well thought out and eloquently stated, as always.

------------------
"In Memorium of those who are gone, and all those that bought our freedom with their hearts blood!"

"May the Colors of Liberty never run"

Moiraine · 10-08-2001, 05:48 AM

Hi, Yorick

, glad you made it back in here, Poster Extraordinaire.

I'll reply in here tonight, am at work now, and I don't have the leisure just now to post all I would like.

------------------

The world is my oyster !

250 · 10-08-2001, 05:55 AM

man.. what the.. why whenever Yorick talks, it always seems he has the truth on his side... I hate this guy...

just kiddinggggggggggggggg

sigh, well said

[This message has been edited by Ziroc (edited 10-08-2001).]

10-08-2001, 04:19 AM	#1
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 52 Posts: 9,246	The United States and Great Britain with the backing of an international community that includes China, Russia, Japan, Germany, France, Australia, Egypt and Italy, bombed military airbases, terrorist training camps and power centres. They did so after 28 days of warnings, diplomatic pressure and military buildups to show that the coalition meant business. They did not send suicide pilots careering into large civilian structures without warning, killing thousands and disabling downtown Kabul for the next year. They did however send food and medicinal supplies immediately after the attacks on the Taliban, to the Afgahn people. This is not WW3. America, Britain and a repressive Wahabi extremist group do not constitute the whole world. Bear in mind also, that WW2 was in part caused by a failure of the policy of appeasement regarding Hitlers aquisitions of Czechoslovakia and Austria. The attitude of "avoid war at all costs" in part caused the worst war the world has seen. I find it increasingly annoying that there are loud shouts against preventative force, and arguments equating this preventative force with "vengance" and "retaliation". No alternative to preventative force is put forward however. Diplomacy? Diplomacy on this matter has been attempted since 1993 and has FAILED. Have these detractors tried the three hour drive into Manhattan from Long Island? Have they been stuck at a border for two hours? Have they been stopped on highways or rerouted from the Hoover dam for example? America is a fortress at the moment. Protected by people. These people must be paid. The fear resultant from the terrorist attacks is creating a recession. Who will then pay for the manned fortress? Protection from the snake cannot go on forever. The snake must be beheaded if it is to die. Osama must go. If the Taliban shelter him, they too must go. A persons inaction when one can prevent murder, creates guilt equal to that of the murderer themself. The government of the United States has an obligation to act and protect it's citizens. That is part of it's job. If one is going to decry violence then decry Wahabism and it's bloodstained past against even Islamics in Saudi Arabia! Decry the coward who hides in a rathole and orders followers to suicidal death. Decry the mothers who give glory to their adolescant sons strapping bombs to their chest and blowing themselves up. Decry hate and ignorance that turns a religion of peace into one of hate and war. But do not decry governments from excercising their right to protect their people from the most cowardly form of war, murder and vandalism. Terrorism. Let us eradicate the concept from human experience. ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! [This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 10-08-2001).]

10-08-2001, 04:36 AM	#3
Cloudbringer Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Upstate NY USA Posts: 19,737	Replied in the other thread, Yorick! But I am glad to see you got back to your computer! Nicely stated! Welcome back Bard o' mine, you really have been missed! Somewhere there's a thread looking for you! Cloudy ------------------ Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan CloudDragon of the OHF Storm-Queen Raven's Cloud StormCloud of the Black Knight: Heart Mind Soul Forever "To sleep, perchance to dream..."

10-08-2001, 04:41 AM	#5
WOLFGIR Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 3,450	Welcome back YOrrick! YOu do make your returning here in fashion as always! Good stated Yorrick! Glad to see you back here! Have missed your mindbending discussions and topics!!! (And yes, I mean that in a very positive way! ) HOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL!!! ------------------ Howling to the moon, cause this world seems so far away.. Wolfgirs lair once-upon-a-paper

10-08-2001, 05:09 AM	#7
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 52 Posts: 9,246	------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... A fair dinkum laughing Hyena!

10-08-2001, 05:30 AM	#8
Nachtrafe Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: August 9, 2001 Location: Upstate NY, USA Age: 51 Posts: 889	Welcome back Yorick! How ya holding up? Excellent post. Well thought out and eloquently stated, as always. ------------------ "In Memorium of those who are gone, and all those that bought our freedom with their hearts blood!" "May the Colors of Liberty never run"

10-08-2001, 05:48 AM	#9
Moiraine Anubis Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Up in the Freedomland Alps Age: 59 Posts: 2,474	Hi, Yorick , glad you made it back in here, Poster Extraordinaire. I'll reply in here tonight, am at work now, and I don't have the leisure just now to post all I would like. ------------------ The world is my oyster !

10-08-2001, 05:55 AM	#10
250 Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: either CA or MO Age: 42 Posts: 2,674	man.. what the.. why whenever Yorick talks, it always seems he has the truth on his side... I hate this guy... just kiddinggggggggggggggg sigh, well said [This message has been edited by Ziroc (edited 10-08-2001).]

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)