UN with a bite!

[Ronn_Bman]

Mods, I know this isn't strictly a war thread, but the ideas discussed will be in that vein. A little latitude for the greater good?

*hopes his Mods are feeling generous today*

This thread maybe interesting or a complete dud, but it's worth a shot.

What would we need for a UN that could actually manage the World? We'll base this on our real world, but all members of IW are familiar with the concepts of fantasy and imagination so lets put together a UN with "teeth". Not necessarily talking about changing the real UN, but instead how in "our" alternate world such an organization would work.

Lets not immediately apply it to the current situation.

What would the powers be? Who would provide the enforcement? How would they be recruited? How would nations be punished? Could nations be forced to submit, if they don't want to join?

There are many different aspects we can look at this from, but as a starter, I will propose that a UN military force be a separate force from participating nation's standing armies. Not British or Swiss troops acting under the UN, but a separate force composed of citizens from member nations. Each country should have to offer a number of recruits based on population.

Also, each nation should have to contribute monitarily based on GNP with a sliding scale towards population.

I think this could prove enlightening or boring....which way will it go? (If we have enough fun with this, it may be turned into the idea for a new game and sell a zillion copies! )

[Ronn_Bman]

OK people, calm down!

One at a time please

[Barry the Sprout]

Sorry Ronn! I will get round to writing a big response to this later on, but I am a bit rushed right now.

Nice topic BTW - please don't close this Mods, it could get interesting once Skunk shows up. Seems like his kind of thing.

[Neb]

Interesting topic Ronn, I will consider it and if I think up a good response I shall post it.

[Ryanamur]

Well, I already answered that question many times. But here we go again [img]smile.gif[/img]

1- Eliminate the Security Council. In an organisation where all are equal, it's counter productive to the image of the organisation if some are elevated with vetoe rights over others.

2- Have all nations recongnize that the UN as enforcement jurisdiction within all signatories boundries.

3- Give the UN a military force capable of enforcing it's will even against the strongest opponent (currently China, followed by the US)

4- Have all nations base their votes on the good of the world rather than the self-interest of a nation. No more of those concensus motions that are debated for days only to arrive to the perfect text that's adopted by all but that really is of no value.

5- Have all nations pay their full dues to the organisation.

Put in all those and you would have an organisation that not only has a bite but that can also positively work to make the world a better place!

[Ronn_Bman]

I have seen this before, but explain #3. How will this force be organized? A conventional force to rival China's standing army? Who will control it?

Also, regarding #2, what about non-signatories? Will they be immune, or will they be forced to submit?

I'm not questioning the validity of your points but, instead, "brain storming". [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Silver Cheetah]

The body should have the power to enforce arms embargos.

On the practical front, if a company from whatever country is caught selling arms to a country that abuses them, it would be put on trial, and if found guilty, have its assets taken into receivership, and its controlling executives imprisoned, and banned from ever setting up/working for an arms manufacturer/exporter again.

(I would like to see us work towards less weapons in the world. It'd need to be a very gradual thing. The above could be a first step?)

[Silver Cheetah]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:
I have seen this before, but explain #3. How will this force be organized? A conventional force to rival China's standing army? Who will control it?

Also, regarding #2, what about non-signatories? Will they be immune, or will they be forced to submit?

I'm not questioning the validity of your points but, instead, "brain storming". [img]smile.gif[/img]

---

Regarding #2, I think the key word here is benefits. There would have to be clear benefits, quite aside from the prospect of peace, that would acrue to 'joiners'. Almost inevitably, they would be economic in nature.

This needs thinking about. None joiners pay more to sell their products in the world market? (Extra duty, and so on?? It's very hard cheese on the citizens of those countries that have obdurate governments, however. Like the citizens of Iraq at present, who suffer from Western embargoes which are imposed as a result of Saddam's actions.) Anyone got any other ideas on this one?

[Ronn_Bman]

Interesting points, but I'm curious how the enforcement would work. You know me I like the military part

Volunteers? Quota's per country?

[Ryanamur]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:
I have seen this before, but explain #3. How will this force be organized? A conventional force to rival China's standing army? Who will control it?

Also, regarding #2, what about non-signatories? Will they be immune, or will they be forced to submit?

I'm not questioning the validity of your points but, instead, "brain storming". [img]smile.gif[/img]

---

The military force would be to the command of the General Assembly and the Secretary General as the Supreme Commander. There would be absolutely no-loyalty to any nation or government. The loyalty should only be to the UN. As far as the strenght of this military body, it should be able to crush the strongest military on this planet. Right now, contrary to popular belief, it's China that has the strongest military (not the US).

About Non-Signatories. No, you don't enforce your rules to them and you don't coerce them into joining either... you just let them go by their business ever happy and should they "attack" you, you retaliate!