06-11-2003, 01:18 PM | #31 |
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True, but I assume the judge may have decided they were being denied certain rights as a couple because they were of the same sex. One of the problems with equality and freedom rules is that they are pretty general so not everyone will interpret them the same. I guess that is one of the reasons to have judges to rule on issues like this. I don't think the government will appeal this case to the supreme court in this case. They may redefine the law somewhat to recognize gay unions as equivalent to marriages under the law to somewhat appease those opposed, and allow gays to have the same rights has married couples.
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There are no such people as YY-chromosome males. Lack of an X-chromosome kills you. Howerver, there are XYY males. They are not exactly common, but not exactly rare either. About 1 in 1000 males will have an extra Y chromosome. XYY's tend to be physically strong, mentally slightly below-average, and also it was thought that it was linked to criminality. Recent studies have recanted this somewhat. You also get XXX females, XXY males, XXXXX females (!) and many other combinations. More info here [img]smile.gif[/img] http://www.icomm.ca/geneinfo/pentax.htm http://www.icomm.ca/geneinfo/klinefel.htm http://www.icomm.ca/geneinfo/xyy.htm http://www.icomm.ca/geneinfo/xx.html < XX males
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06-11-2003, 05:27 PM | #34 | |
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For example, Japan was close to the west and the peasants were all disarmed and this kept the society stable and unchanging for hundreds of years, at the cost of social mobility and the change and innovation that this brings. If you want to stop societal change, you need to stop the changing materiel conditions. I think Amish people do it, I saw a video on them in philosophy. Also, Because they all intermarry, They have strange genetics I think. But you couldn't stop it in the wider sense of The western world today I think. The handmaids tale will never happen! (probably, but don't quote me on that) |
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06-11-2003, 05:32 PM | #35 | |
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No need to get a bee in the bonnet about this contention, its not attacking gays or putting them apart from straight people. The only difference I can see is that the theory observes that they are treated differently by society as a whole. Sadly thats pretty irrefutable. [/QUOTE]I hope my comment didn't sound like I'm against gay marriage or think hetero unions are better than gay unions. Not at all. I think gay marriage should absolutely be allowed, for all the reasons Timber stated. I totally agree with what you're saying. But I think the argument (and the statistics - data do not know where they come from after all - someone chose the groups, did the analysis, and interpreted the results ) is flawed - you're comparing couples who are free to marry whoever they want whenever they want with couples who have to fight and lobby and overcome adversity who of course will be more committed from the effort - a more realistic comparison would be all the gay couples who would have got married had they been allowed - and there would be just as many poor choices, just as many whims, and eventually just as many marriages ending badly because, like you say, gay people aren't any better at maintaining long relationships than straight people. So the statistics don't really mean anything. I see in this thread that Animal for instance appears to be advocating gay marriage because they will be less likely to divorce - and that's a spurious reason because if there is open slather on gay marriage it will be no different to straight marriage. I also disagree with Animal's contention that gay marriages would last longer because they are the same sex so they can understand each other better - I can't speak for anyone but myself, but 'not understanding men' hasn't been the reason for relationships that I have had not working. Gay people are just as able to find someone else, grow apart, have too different ideas, don't agree about religion, have differnt life goals, cheat on each other, fight about money, have communication problems, have different sex drives etc etc etc.
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06-12-2003, 03:07 PM | #38 | |
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06-12-2003, 03:42 PM | #39 |
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If we are going to start comparing same sex relationships with conventional ones, there are a lot of things to point out. The first one I'll note is that it has been my experience (note: I lived with two gay men for a few years and have litterally tons of gay friends) that homosexuals tend to be a bit more promiscuous. "Tea Rooms" don't exist in the straight world, y'know.
Now, whether or not this extends or decreases the duration of same sex marriages is hard to discern, because I have not noticed many gay folks who rush to get married like heteros sometimes do. I will note that I know of several homosexual/bisexual relationships that have lasted for years and years. |
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