Why isn't this possible?

Dace De'Briago · 02-08-2006, 06:47 PM

I've just been experimenting with a Monk/Weaponmaster build and I've ran into a problem, which I believe to be a bug.

I was planning on getting to L15 (possibly 16) with the Weaponmaster prerequisites fulfilled. I did this and... no dual-class to Weaponmaster option. Why? Because my Weapon Focus was in hand-to-hand combat.

I reloaded and selected Kama, and suprise suprise I could become a Weaponmaster.

Why in the world can't I select my bare hands as a weapon of choice? Is this a bug or a deliberate attempt by Bioware to mong up my plans!

I'd appreciate opinions on this please.

Ilander · 02-08-2006, 07:22 PM

Somehow, I think that was written into the actual 3rd Edition D&D rules...weapons ARE generally considered not a part of the human body...unless you're CHUCK NORRIS!

robertthebard · 02-08-2006, 08:31 PM

...er, yeah. Not a bug though. While I would consider my fists to be weapons, the engine doesn't see them that way, possibly to prevent problems with the disarm feat? Might be kind of messy to get disarmed while unarmed...

Ilander · 02-09-2006, 01:06 AM

...Well, if it's written into 3rd Edition rules, and it's in a game based upon 3rd Edition rules, it's probably NOT a bug...weapons, by definition, are what a person uses when their fists aren't considered enough, which is the common definition, and the one used in the games...

Stratos · 02-09-2006, 12:13 PM

A Weapon Master can't focus on Unarmed in NWN. I don't know how the PnP rules are.

I would argue that a Monk is already an Unarmed "Weapon Master".

02-08-2006, 06:47 PM	#1
Dace De'Briago Silver Dragon Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Wales Age: 43 Posts: 1,617	I've just been experimenting with a Monk/Weaponmaster build and I've ran into a problem, which I believe to be a bug. I was planning on getting to L15 (possibly 16) with the Weaponmaster prerequisites fulfilled. I did this and... no dual-class to Weaponmaster option. Why? Because my Weapon Focus was in hand-to-hand combat. I reloaded and selected Kama, and suprise suprise I could become a Weaponmaster. Why in the world can't I select my bare hands as a weapon of choice? Is this a bug or a deliberate attempt by Bioware to mong up my plans! I'd appreciate opinions on this please. __________________ Warning: Powergamer

02-08-2006, 07:22 PM	#2
Ilander 20th Level Warrior Join Date: December 28, 2003 Location: Kentucky Age: 38 Posts: 2,820	Somehow, I think that was written into the actual 3rd Edition D&D rules...weapons ARE generally considered not a part of the human body...unless you're CHUCK NORRIS! __________________ Is that what you really want to say?

02-08-2006, 08:31 PM	#3
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 60 Posts: 4,537	...er, yeah. Not a bug though. While I would consider my fists to be weapons, the engine doesn't see them that way, possibly to prevent problems with the disarm feat? Might be kind of messy to get disarmed while unarmed... __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Good Music: Here. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

02-09-2006, 01:06 AM	#4
Ilander 20th Level Warrior Join Date: December 28, 2003 Location: Kentucky Age: 38 Posts: 2,820	...Well, if it's written into 3rd Edition rules, and it's in a game based upon 3rd Edition rules, it's probably NOT a bug...weapons, by definition, are what a person uses when their fists aren't considered enough, which is the common definition, and the one used in the games... __________________ Is that what you really want to say?

02-09-2006, 12:13 PM	#5
Stratos Vampire Join Date: January 29, 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 3,888	A Weapon Master can't focus on Unarmed in NWN. I don't know how the PnP rules are. I would argue that a Monk is already an Unarmed "Weapon Master". __________________ Nothing is impossible, it's just a matter of probability.

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