Escalating potential conflict in Iraq

[Lanesra]

Originally posted by Azred: What if a sniper had been able to take out Hitler in 1941?

Or in 1939, when the 2nd world war started.

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Lanesra: quote: Originally posted by Azred: What if a sniper had been able to take out Hitler in 1941?

Or in 1939, when the 2nd world war started.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that the previously responding "poster's" implication was that Americans only think in terms of US involvement in WWII. It isn't true.

We can also think in terms of Hitler being hit by a truck in 1912 before his "useful" service to the Fatherland during the Great WAR! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 09-17-2002, 09:50 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Dramnek_Ulk,

SAY MA NAME!

Originally posted by John D Harris: less then 100 miles from where I live the US goverment has a facility to destroy Chemical weapons, It is opperational, and destroies Chemical weapon stock piles all the time. Last week we had a terrorist scare here in the US (Utah) at another facility that DESTROIES chemical and Bio weapons. We have also cut our stock piles of Nuclear weapons in about half. But we would be fools to get rid of our weapons while others have them.

The USA's withdrawal from the 1972 Anti Ballistic Missile (ABM) treaty goes directly against its stated aims of improving global unity and peace in the fight against terrorism.

The USA has repeatedly broken the ABM treaty with its Star Wars Missile Test program.

the USA stood alone by blocking negotiations to strengthen the international ban on biological weapons, and by voting against a procedural motion at the United Nations supporting the global ban on nuclear testing.

etc etc.

Originally posted by John D Harris: If the rest of the world wants to effect a regime change here, well get together and start the process, but remember we have an armed population

Civilians with guns can’t really do much in a “proper war”,
(by proper I mean industrialised warfare, Although some people posit that this no longer has a place in a world where Weapons of mass destruction are so readily availible and so powerful and where global communications have been vastly enhanced)
hmmmmm.[/QUOTE]Dramnek_Ulk, What in the world does the ABM treaty have to do with your statement about chem & bio weapons?

You bet your "sweet Bippy" we stood against an international ban on bio weapons!!!!!!! The U.N. can't find it's rear-end with both hands, a mirror, and two friends. They've done such a great job at removing Sodamn Insane,or North Korea's Chem & bio weapons. Sure that is just what we ought to do, get rid of our weapons then depend on the U.N. ( a Cluster F*** if there ever was one!!!) to ask if other countries will "pretty please, with sugar on top" get rid of their Chem. & Bio weapons. We maybe many things but fools isn't one of them.

A "proper war" got to be a British term the bastards have to come out of their tanks every once in a while, I can hit a squirrel moving in the trees, with my squirrel rifle, I wouldn't have any problem hitting a man's head that was sticking out of his tank

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by John D Harris: The U.N. can't find it's rear-end with both hands, a mirror, and two friends.

That seems like a reasonable assessment when it comes to So Damn Insane..lol

[ 09-17-2002, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[Ronn_Bman]

"Civilians with guns can’t really do much in a 'proper war'"

Uh....Dramnek,

I think King George said something very similiar in the mid to late 1700's...lol.

[ 09-17-2002, 08:55 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[skywalker]

So that means, since the UN can't find it's own end, it means we can ignore them and do as we please.

We do share the planet with quite a few other nations. Does the strongest and loudest set the direction?

I wonder what the World would be like if the UN disbanded.

Mark

[Ar-Cunin]

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: "Civilians with guns can’t really do much in a 'proper war'" Uh....Dramnek, I think King George said something very similiar in the mid to late 1700's...lol.

And the American civilians got beaten in almost every early engagement - IIRC it was the founding of colonial(?) army that turned the tide. Besides the redcoats didn't have tanks or aeroplanes. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by skywalker: So that means, since the UN can't find it's own end, it means we can ignore them and do as we please. We do share the planet with quite a few other nations. Does the strongest and loudest set the direction? Mark

Yup, it sure does. I don't agree with alot of the US's policies and ideologies, but there isn't a goddam thing I or my 'nation' can do about it. I'd much rather have the yankies pushing the world around than the chinese or iraqi's or such. Jesus, if I had as much power at my fingertips as the Bush administration does you could rest assured that I'd be one corrupt mother f**ker. They havn't done all THAT bad a job at keeping their greed and power-lust in check to be honest. At least there is a chance for clemency and mercy for plebeians like us with the Americans on top of the world political pile.
Plus I think everyone is forgetting what really makes the world go round here. It's not judeo-chrsitian morality, it's not blind, empty patriotism. It's money baby! Resources, power and authority. That's where it's at, that's where it has ALWAYS been at. You gotta go with the flow, and go for the gusto! There's no such thing as the 'right' thing to do, definitions of justice change with the tide man. Just love your friends and hate your enemies. Do what you gotta do to get by.

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Ar-Cunin: quote: Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: I think King George said something very similiar in the mid to late 1700's...lol.

And the American civilians got beaten in almost every early engagement - IIRC it was the founding of colonial(?) army that turned the tide. Besides the redcoats didn't have tanks or aeroplanes. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]The Colonial Army was little more than a rag-tag group of civilians acting together against a vastly superior, highly trained military force. The turning of the tide was the American's refusal to follow the "accepted" ways of fighting. Guerrilla warfare anyone?

BTW, you do know each American is issued either a tank or an airplane on their 18th birthday (coastal residents sometimes receive a submarine)to be used in case of invasion, don't you? LOL

We used to get handguns, but you know how dangerous THEY are!

[ 09-18-2002, 08:52 AM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by skywalker: So that means, since the UN can't find it's own end, it means we can ignore them and do as we please. We do share the planet with quite a few other nations. Does the strongest and loudest set the direction? I wonder what the World would be like if the UN disbanded. Mark

Yes, we do on many things already, just because a group gets together doesn't mean they're right. That works for both the U.N. and any other country in the world.

It has always been that way throughout history! And NO ONE has been able too or willing too answer me this question, (I've asked it several times) Name any country that throughout history, when it was #1, didn't conquer everything it could? Rome didn't, Aztec's didn't, Ottoman's didn't. At No POINT in history has any country enjoyed the gap in power that we (U.S.A.) currently enjoy. You can measure that power how ever you like. What country have we conquered and hold as ours now? What land have we annexed now? Don't give this crap about what we've did in the 1800's, unless we are living in the 1800's NOW. I'm talking about what is happening NOW!

Not a any different then it is now, there are still dictators, wars, starving people, lying sacks of horse manure, and any other thing we as people claim to be evil, bad, or wrong going on now with the U.N. in place!