Overpowered? I say no

Malavon's Rage · 07-01-2003, 05:34 PM

Lol, it always seams that I'm the one bringing this up, but oh well. Many people believe that Elminster is "overpowered". I say no, maybe a little, but not much. Let's look at the facts...

-In the Shandril saga (I'll use that as an example), he is 200+ years old. I'm GUESSING that an archmage is atleast 60 years old? And that's probably only if they have studied into magic intensley. Elminster has done this for...200+ years. Statistically he's like at least 3-4 archmages for the price of one!

-He's very much favored my Mystra, seeing as how he's a "Chosen of Mystra".

So I ask you, thinking of this, should we be thinking that he is overpowered for no reason?

True_Moose · 07-01-2003, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Malavon's Rage:
-In the Shandril saga (I'll use that as an example), he is 200+ years old. I'm GUESSING that an archmage is atleast 60 years old? And that's probably only if they have studied into magic intensley. Elminster has done this for...200+ years. Statistically he's like at least 3-4 archmages for the price of one!

Actually, according to the BG1 Manual:
"...it is suspected that Elminster learned his magical arts at the feet of Arkhon the Old, who died in what is now Waterdeep over 500 years ago" [p 56]
So I guess he really IS that old. Besides, he's supposed to be a 29th level wizard, and I mean, there really aren't that many archmages around that part of the sword cost [The only ones that really come to mind are Thalantyr and Ulraunt; Volo isn't really a great wizard, if you know what I mean.] They've gotta have archmages somewhere, right? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Rokenn · 07-01-2003, 06:21 PM

who is this Elminster guy? Some Gandalf wanna-be? [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]

[img]graemlins/hidesbehindsofa.gif[/img]

Malavon's Rage · 07-01-2003, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by Rokenn:
who is this Elminster guy? Some Gandalf wanna-be? [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]

[img]graemlins/hidesbehindsofa.gif[/img]

Lol, it never struck me that Gandalf and Elminster really do look alike; robes and pointy hats, just thank god that Elminster isn't stupid enough to run around with a sword waving around his head. Except Elminster is easily more powerful than Gandalf. And another question, in your own opinion, what level mage would Gandalf be?

Timber Loftis · 07-01-2003, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by True_Moose:
Besides, he's supposed to be a 29th level wizard, and I mean, there really aren't that many archmages around that part of the sword cost [The only ones that really come to mind are Thalantyr and Ulraunt; Volo isn't really a great wizard, if you know what I mean.] They've gotta have archmages somewhere, right? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

What about Khelben Blackstaff Arunson, Elminster's one-time apprentice and friend?

Anywho, when FR first came out, Elminster was a L29 Mage. Last time I checked the FR Second Edition listings for him, he was a L30+ Mage/ L30+ Priest. Apparently his power has grown exponentially since Ed Greenwood gave him over to the industry some 20 years ago.

Timber Loftis · 07-01-2003, 06:30 PM

Gandalf is a wizard/priest avatar thingy. Isn't that more powerful?

Who cares. My god can beat up your god. [img]graemlins/hidesbehindsofa.gif[/img]

Rokenn · 07-01-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by Malavon's Rage:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rokenn:
who is this Elminster guy? Some Gandalf wanna-be? [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]

[img]graemlins/hidesbehindsofa.gif[/img]

Lol, it never struck me that Gandalf and Elminster really do look alike; robes and pointy hats, just thank god that Elminster isn't stupid enough to run around with a sword waving around his head. Except Elminster is easily more powerful than Gandalf. And another question, in your own opinion, what level mage would Gandalf be? [/QUOTE]Gandalf is a demi-god (ie one of the Maia). And has a Ring of Power. Poor Elminster would not stand a chance. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Malavon's Rage · 07-01-2003, 06:32 PM

Gandalf is an avator? Never heard that before...

Rokenn · 07-01-2003, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Malavon's Rage:
Gandalf is an avator? Never heard that before...

Gandalf

Tancred · 07-01-2003, 07:55 PM

The main reason we don't see Gandalf doing any serious stuff is because he isn't allowed. He and the other Wizards are bound by an oath never to take up arms against Sauron, nor fight directly against him or his minions. They're only there to co-ordinate the fight.

The two main exceptions are when he becomes Gandalf the White, in which case we assume he has returned to the world with a greater 'authority' to use his powers, and against the Balrog, which was not a servant of Sauron and so Gandalf was clear to use the full force of his power. Seriously, if Gandalf was some kind of hedge-wizard who could only light fires and look scary, he couldn't have beaten what was in D&D terms a major demon.

Elminster seems to have the edge because Elminster is answerable to no-one. [img]smile.gif[/img]

07-01-2003, 05:34 PM	#1
Malavon's Rage Elminster Join Date: July 15, 2002 Location: USA Age: 36 Posts: 412	Lol, it always seams that I'm the one bringing this up, but oh well. Many people believe that Elminster is "overpowered". I say no, maybe a little, but not much. Let's look at the facts... -In the Shandril saga (I'll use that as an example), he is 200+ years old. I'm GUESSING that an archmage is atleast 60 years old? And that's probably only if they have studied into magic intensley. Elminster has done this for...200+ years. Statistically he's like at least 3-4 archmages for the price of one! -He's very much favored my Mystra, seeing as how he's a "Chosen of Mystra". So I ask you, thinking of this, should we be thinking that he is overpowered for no reason? __________________ Capital Punishment turns the state into a murderer, Imprisonment turns the state into a gay dungeon-master.

07-01-2003, 06:21 PM	#3
Rokenn Galvatron Join Date: January 22, 2002 Location: california wine country Age: 60 Posts: 2,193	who is this Elminster guy? Some Gandalf wanna-be? [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/hidesbehindsofa.gif[/img] __________________ “This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have mores. <br />Some people call you the elite. <br />I call you my base.”<br />~ George W. Bush (2000)

07-01-2003, 06:30 PM	#6
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	Gandalf is a wizard/priest avatar thingy. Isn't that more powerful? Who cares. My god can beat up your god. [img]graemlins/hidesbehindsofa.gif[/img] __________________

07-01-2003, 06:32 PM	#8
Malavon's Rage Elminster Join Date: July 15, 2002 Location: USA Age: 36 Posts: 412	Gandalf is an avator? Never heard that before... __________________ Capital Punishment turns the state into a murderer, Imprisonment turns the state into a gay dungeon-master.

07-01-2003, 07:55 PM	#10
Tancred White Dragon Join Date: April 1, 2001 Location: UK Age: 43 Posts: 1,893	The main reason we don't see Gandalf doing any serious stuff is because he isn't allowed. He and the other Wizards are bound by an oath never to take up arms against Sauron, nor fight directly against him or his minions. They're only there to co-ordinate the fight. The two main exceptions are when he becomes Gandalf the White, in which case we assume he has returned to the world with a greater 'authority' to use his powers, and against the Balrog, which was not a servant of Sauron and so Gandalf was clear to use the full force of his power. Seriously, if Gandalf was some kind of hedge-wizard who could only light fires and look scary, he couldn't have beaten what was in D&D terms a major demon. Elminster seems to have the edge because Elminster is answerable to no-one. [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ \"HELP! I\'ve superglued myself to a flaming bowling ball!\"

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