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State your own experience Dramnek. The issue I have (and others who stay away when you enter) is that you attack the mental processes, and the motives of those with faith. I have never implied Athiests were stupid or emotionally inept as you have. That is the difference. On the contrary I have a number of athiest friends with whom mutal respect exists. Not everyone has to see the world as you do. You do however, seem to feel the need assert that unless one thinks as you do, they are defficient as a human being. Oh great master of flames. Quote:
If someone says “I Know god doesn't exist because I have no personal experience of him” That generally means No matter what evidence & arguments there is to count against these walls of the mind they will not listen or even look at the evidence properly since the emotions connected with it cause a bottleneck. Quote:
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06-14-2002, 03:56 PM | #44 | ||
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I would be a fool to say certain high pitched or subsonic notes didn't exist simply because I could not hear them. I see the EFFECT they have on a dog, or a wall. Quote:
Besides, they believed that which they had not experienced. Not all "truth" is measured the same way. Some things are not physically measured, and are reliant on human statements. Historical facts, journalism without pictures. Testimonies of safety inspectors. If 20,000 safety inspectors declared a plane safe you'd believe them right? |
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I merely said that emotion effects their though process; this is a well-known fact, That emotion can override reason. Quote:
No one can quite match your twisting and rewording of posts to fit your own agenda I think. Quote:
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06-14-2002, 04:06 PM | #46 |
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I voted theism. It just feels like it's the closest "group" to my beliefs.
Oh and Yorick, lay off the personal assaults will ya? At least handle it in a PM or something. |
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Until there is direct non-subjective evidence that is interpretable and verifiable by humans, it does not exist for all our purposes. If I were to say that since we cannot prove that magic doesn’t exist, It must, people would laugh. If I were to say that I will cause person A to die with my mighty magic, and they then died of a heart attack, that does not make magic exist. Quote:
There is at least empirical proof for, and of verification of safety standards and of inspectors. [ 06-14-2002, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: Dramnek_Ulk ] |
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If there was nothing wrong with the statement, reversing it so that it applys to you instead of Leonis, myself and Amber, shouldn't be a flamebait at all. The problem is with your statement, not with my attempt to put you in my situation so you can understand WHY a post is offensive. I rest my case. |
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06-14-2002, 04:19 PM | #49 |
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Look Yorick and Dramnek, I have absolutely nothing against you two having a debate in this thread, but I am responsible, and I'm going to try and sort this out before the mods have to step in and lock this thread.
Right, for a start, I think a lot of this has arisen from some poor choices of words. Yorick, I can understand if you don't like people making Christians out as emotional wrecks, as they are not, but to me it seems like that is not what he meant, it seemed to me that he was stating the fact that emotions can override things, and I'm not singling out Christians at all, that is a broad statement, because it affects all humans. Also, I think on both sides some things were interpreted as insults when they most likely weren't, and you can both spend all day saying about how one's twisyting the other's words, it won't matter in the end if the topic get's locked, will it. Dramnek, no, you did not deride him, and equally, as you made no mention of "him" he made no mention of atheists in a bad context. That statement where he changed the words, that wasn't twisting your words, he was merely turning it round to show you a little apathy, and as you seemingly took offense to it, obviously he made a point- unless you're saying you were mocking offense. Now if you two can't just hold a sensible debate, then fair enough, the mod's will come and lock yet another debate, so if you want to stop others from debating as well I'd strongly advise you just leave it, ok? [img]smile.gif[/img] If it does continue on the same level, I'll alert the mods myself, no need to waste everyone else time, and I tyhink there was at least a little misinterpretation on both sides.
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06-14-2002, 04:41 PM | #50 | |
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Not the content of the post makes it flamebait, But the fact that you did actually deliberately *change* and *Rewrite* my words to fit in with *your* own views and opinions, The *action* of Taking someone’s post, and rewriting and/or changing it for your own purposes, is blatant and obvious flame bait. But enough, If you have any further problems, I suggest you take it to E-mail. |
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