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Old 01-07-2003, 08:13 AM   #41
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What a great place to spam!
No, I don't exist...
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:43 AM   #42
Callum Kerr
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Of course I exist!!!!!! I'm the centre of the universe... remember?

But seriously... R. A. Salvatore said in his book "The Demon Awakens", something along the lines of "Your consciousness creates the world around you, you are the creator... however, everyone elses consciousness is also creating the world around them..." That's why there is conflict

If you try reaaly, really hard, you may notice that that does not say one way or the other whether I, or you, exist.
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Old 01-07-2003, 12:41 PM   #43
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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
If you know you exist because you think...

Would that mean that if I could make you cease to exist, take away the thought, the existence....

Then I would, by transitive logic, certainly exist.

No?
In effect, if you cease being aware, existence becomes somewhat meaningless.

Look at sleep. When we wake we get the sense of 'newness'. A new day. A new beginning. We wake. Our personal world literally stopped for a few hours. If you stayed asleep, you wouldn't for all intents and purposes be 'living' a life. (Though you may be alive) You couldn't consciously sense, remember or feed yourself. Without external help, you'd die if you didn't wake.

In any case, if awareness = existence, then lack of awareness doesn't = nonexistence, just that there is no longer any PROOF of existence.

If there is no proof that incriminates someone commiting a crime, it doesn't mean that no-one commited the crime, just that there is no proof.

If you haven't found proof of God, it doesn't follow that he doesn't exist, just that you have no proof he does.

If you have no proof your partner loves you, it doesn't mean she doesn't, just that you can't prove she does.
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:19 PM   #44
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Me Too! Oh wait...

If everyone else (me too [img]smile.gif[/img] ) is a figment of your imagination, you are a sick b@st@rd....there are some sickies in the world, and if they're from you, yikes!
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:00 PM   #45
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Lets see do I exist..... *pinches arm* OWWW!!!!! Yep I sure do!
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:10 PM   #46
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Of course you all exist, has coppertops!

The Matrix has you.....
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:19 PM   #47
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[img]graemlins/erm.gif[/img] How can anyone question whether or not they exist? If you would like to exist then you do; if not, then you don't.

As I answered on another thread, there are two truths: 1) Everything exists and 2) Nothing exists. Does that make sense? It is really quite simple....

I exist. However, I do not exist to you. You may read my words but were we to bump into one another in the grocery store tomorrow you wouldn't know it (of course, neither would I).
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Old 01-09-2003, 08:46 AM   #48
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If I exist,
I'm Diamond Q.
If I do not,
Then I must be you!
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